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Old Jul 01, 2003, 02:02 PM
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Measure twice, cut, er, order once.

Agree, I follow fumblethumbs' advice too, there's never a problem with having lots of random parts, hardware, wood, foam, etc. on hand!
No No! My system is measure twice cut... uh measure twice cut AGAIN etc. You should see my shrink wrap and spare tubing boxes... lots of short pieces!
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Old Jul 01, 2003, 02:25 PM
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At the risk of getting too specific on this thread , hollow .125 extruded CF tubing isn't all that stronger than the supplied solid fiberglass rods, it's just a hair lighter (never weighed it). I only used it on mine because I had some on hand.
Right, but solid .125" CF rod is, and much stiffer than FG! I weighed them (.125"CF vs. 3mmFG) way back when I assembled, and IIRC they were very, very close, so I went the carbon route. Like many have said here, it really isn't needed on the SS, the stock rods will work just fine. I'm one of those people who just can't leave well enough alone!
Hey Daddy-O, have we spent enough of your money yet?
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Old Jul 01, 2003, 02:46 PM
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Hey Daddy-O, have we spent enough of your money yet?
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You all are working pretty hard at it. I really appreciate all that is coming out. I agree with those of you who said that it is good to have spare parts on hand. I have learned after 2 1/2 years here that it is not only a good idea, but a necessity.
Thumbs,
You don't happen to be an engineer, are you? Your philosophy of fixing what is not broken is right in line with their's. I used to be a machinist and often remember hearing, and using, the phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Oh well, we did come up with some pretty neat things sometimes because of their pushing us to fix those "not broken" things.
btw Kinnic^2, if you happen to have a mic handy, measure one of the hairs from you head (if you still have any). It should be about the same width of your 16lb. copier paper.
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Old Jul 01, 2003, 04:06 PM
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Nope Daddy-O, not an engineer.....

But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once! Machinist, huh? I expect you to build holding all tolerances to within +/- .001" -thumbs
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Old Jul 01, 2003, 04:49 PM
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Best engineering phrase: "dragging a hole." Involves a drill and a variant of measure once, cut twice...

Anyone who has ever done it will recognize its technical name.

Daddy-O, hairs I have, but they're mixed in with the feline variety from having too many cats!

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Old Jul 01, 2003, 08:15 PM
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Thumbs,

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I expect you to build holding all tolerances to within +/- .001"
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Usually .003" is good enough for government work.

I added the these (Mini EZ Connector - DUB 845) to my shopping list. Should I get these or should I just rely on a z-bend? Any opinions about this. I found these at ehobbies.com.
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Old Jul 01, 2003, 09:08 PM
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Mini-EZ connectors?

Get 'em Daddy-O, definitely. Makes centering your servos a breeze. -thumbs
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Old Jul 03, 2003, 10:05 PM
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OK, Here is the shopping list and some links to where you can find some of this stuff along with prices. Let me know if anything is missing, better prices can be found or something should be altered. Thanks for your input. I hope this list helps the next guy a little bit too.

Shopping List:

GWS Slow Stick – http://www.allerc.com ($34.95)
Wattage PF-12 peak charger - http://www.hobby-warehouse.com/watpfparflye.html ($48.99)
1/8” brass tube - http://www.hobby-lobby.com/brasstube.htm ($.95)
5/32” brass tube - http://www.hobby-lobby.com/brasstube.htm ($1.00)
Note: We are getting both because we don’t know which one we really need
Extra motor / gearbox (GWS 370 Motor/Gearbox Ball Bearing Combo with D Gear) - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...00C-DS&from=13 ($16.80)
Flight pack - http://www.allerc.com GWS ICS400 4F (includes: GWS ICS400 SPEED CONTROL / THREE GWS NARO+ STD SERVOS / GWS NARO6 HP 6 CHANNEL RECEIVER / GWS XTAL CHANNEL of your choice / 9.6v800mah Hump NiMH) ($109.95)
2 Extra battery packs - 9.6v800mah Hump NiMH - http://www.allerc.com/ - ($18.95)
6 extra 12x6 props - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...600-2P&from=42 ($4.30 per pair)
prop saver - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...S01-2a&from=42 ($1.45)
wheels - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...WH-63O&from=54 ($4.90)
40 watt soldering iron and rosin core solder (any number of places / already have these)
Mini Ez Connector - http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAHE6&P=7 (2.39)
Bob Smith CA – thin, thick (odorless), accelerator and epoxy - http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.....Adhesives.php (various $$)
Clear packing tape – many places (various $$)
Radio – Hitec Laser 6 Transmitter - http://www.servocity.com/ServoCity/P...m_systems.html ($74.95)

Daddy-O

Note: After getting and putting together the plane, I found that the 5/32" brass tube is the correct one to purchase. The 1/8" is too small for the carbon rod to fit in.
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Old Jul 03, 2003, 10:15 PM
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OK, Here is the shopping list and some links to where you can find some of this stuff along with prices. Let me know if anything is missing, better prices can be found or something should be altered. Thanks for your input. I hope this list helps the next guy a little bit too.

Shopping List:

GWS Slow Stick – http://www.allerc.com ($34.95)
Wattage PF-12 peak charger - http://www.hobby-warehouse.com/watpfparflye.html ($48.99)
1/8” brass tube - http://www.hobby-lobby.com/brasstube.htm ($.95)
5/32” brass tube - http://www.hobby-lobby.com/brasstube.htm ($1.00)
Note: We are getting both because we don’t know which one we really need
Extra motor / gearbox (GWS 370 Motor/Gearbox Ball Bearing Combo with D Gear) - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...00C-DS&from=13 ($16.80)
Flight pack - http://www.allerc.com GWS ICS400 4F (includes: GWS ICS400 SPEED CONTROL / THREE GWS NARO+ STD SERVOS / GWS NARO6 HP 6 CHANNEL RECEIVER / GWS XTAL CHANNEL of your choice / 9.6v800mah Hump NiMH) ($109.95)
2 Extra battery packs - 9.6v800mah Hump NiMH - http://www.allerc.com/ - ($18.95)
6 extra 12x6 props - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...600-2P&from=42 ($4.30 per pair)
prop saver - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...S01-2a&from=42 ($1.45)
wheels - http://www.aircraft-world.com/prodde...WH-63O&from=54 ($4.90)
40 watt soldering iron and rosin core solder (any number of places / already have these)
Mini Ez Connector - http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAHE6&P=7 (2.39)
Bob Smith CA – thin, thick (odorless), accelerator and epoxy - http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.....Adhesives.php (various $$)
Clear packing tape – many places (various $$)
Radio – Hitec Laser 6 Transmitter - http://www.servocity.com/ServoCity/P...m_systems.html ($74.95)

Daddy-O
Looks like you have done your homework! The only thing I would change would be the charger! I think this is a better charger and it is 120V AND 12V! I use on all the time and it's great!
http://www.hobby-warehouse.com/watpfparflye.html
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Old Jul 03, 2003, 10:27 PM
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Boomer,

That is the charger I listed (I think) Yep, I just looked again, our links are the same. Do you think I should go lithium instead of NiMH? Please give me your opinion.

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Old Jul 03, 2003, 10:40 PM
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Boomer,

That is the charger I listed (I think) Yep, I just looked again, our links are the same. Do you think I should go lithium instead of NiMH? Please give me your opinion.

Daddy-O
Sorry I read it wrong! You have the right one! I would go with the batteries and charger you picked for now! The lithiums require different balancing to get the CG right and aren't quite as durable if you crash and we all did learning! The NiMH will fly the plane really well! I have not jumped heavily into the lithium thing because NiMH's have been around a while while Lithium scene changes daily. I'll let things shake out for a while! I have some of the early polys and they are dogs compared to the present crop! I used to jump in and buy the latest and greatest and decided I was wasting a lot of money being first! You get longer flight times but after 15 minutes I'm ready to take a break anyway and sticking on another pack is no hardship!
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Old Jul 03, 2003, 10:54 PM
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Boomer,

That sounds like sound advice, I think I will take it and stick with the NiHM's. BTW, your posts have really been a help. . . Thanks. If you think of anything else I should get or look into, don't hesitate to let me know.

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Sheesh Daddy-O, you've done your homework! Only thing I might change is item#1, by getting two. Hey, for $35.00 you get a spare everything! Also you might want a couple 11X8 spare props, or 11X4.7 just to experiment with. Good job, you're gonna do well I can tell. -thumbs
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Old Jul 03, 2003, 11:37 PM
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I forgot to list the extra receiver crystals. I will be getting at least two (probably 3) at $7.25 a piece through allerc.com.
Thumbs,
I think you might be right about the extra SS. If I do that, I would have extra everything for the plane and would not have to get the extra motor/gearbox. BTW, I have looked at the motor/gearbox modification. It doesn't look too hard to do. Is that something that should be a rule to do on each one of these or is it not that important? I wanted to post everything like I did to try to give back a little of what I got from all of you. It is nice to have everything in one place. I think that was the idea of this thread when it was started.

I may experiment with other props and power systems when I buy the next one for someone else in the family. This is going to be our learner (I hope it makes it through all of us). It may have a chance if I can learn without tearing it up too bad. I can train everyone else though a trainer cord and different Tx. Thanks again for the help.

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Old Jul 03, 2003, 11:57 PM
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I forgot to list the extra receiver crystals. I will be getting at least two (probably 3) at $7.25 a piece through allerc.com.
Thumbs,
I think you might be right about the extra SS. If I do that, I would have extra everything for the plane and would not have to get the extra motor/gearbox. BTW, I have looked at the motor/gearbox modification. It doesn't look too hard to do. Is that something that should be a rule to do on each one of these or is it not that important? I wanted to post everything like I did to try to give back a little of what I got from all of you. It is nice to have everything in one place. I think that was the idea of this thread when it was started.

I may experiment with other props and power systems when I buy the next one for someone else in the family. This is going to be our learner (I hope it makes it through all of us). It may have a chance if I can learn without tearing it up too bad. I can train everyone else though a trainer cord and different Tx. Thanks again for the help.

Daddy-O
Yup, don't forget the extra crystals! What motor/GB mod are you referring to? Reversing direction? Timing? I would start off simple and just go stock for now. You can always tweak & tinker later, after you've secured the D.R. airspace ! -thumbs
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