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Old Apr 04, 2010, 08:30 PM
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Anyone else up for a woodie forum?

We now have forums for steam and scale sail. It would be nice to have one for the old woodies such as Minette, Greavette, Dodge etc. I just went looking for a set of Dodge Watercar plans that were drawn by Gary Griswold back in the '90's and google found nothing. Another piece of model boat history lost. I personally am very fond of the old goldcup boats like Baby Bootlegger, Scotty and others but plans are difficult to find and a focused forum might help preserve this history.

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Old Apr 04, 2010, 08:35 PM
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Sorry ..I thought you were going to discuss the Male urology..



While I havent a clue wwhat your talking about ..you have tickled my interest ..curiousity as it is ..
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Old Apr 04, 2010, 09:30 PM
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I would enjoy it, my family has been restoring the 1:1 woodies for over 40 years. I also am very fond of the old Gold Cup race boats. Have rode in a bunch of them and have had the pleasure of driving several. Spent the most time in Delphine IV. If I can learn how to post pictures (computers are not my thing) I have an old Hacker Craft that was a rum runner and we believe it to be a gentlemans race boat, if not a early gold cup boat.
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Old Apr 04, 2010, 09:55 PM
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I think it would be a good idea. Here are some of my thoughts.

You mention old woodies; that implies some sort of age cutoff - like prior to 1950 or any woodie older than 30 years. That type of cutoff would eliminate some newer manufacturers like Grand Craft and Van Dam boats.

The few boats you mentioned are either pleasure boats or race boats. Would the wooden warships be included? I'm talking about the PT's by Elco, Higgins, & Huckins; LCP/LCR/LCVP made by Higgins, Chris craft, and others; wooden subchasers from WWI; USCG 75' 78' & 80' Patrol Boats built or designed during Prohibition.

I did a search of the Scale Boats forum for various makes of wooden boats, and got almost 1200 threads; figuring about 15% to be duplicate listing, brings the number down to 1000 threads. Here are the results by the numbers (and they do include this thread):
Chris Craft - 409 threads
Century - 162
Elco - 139
Matthews - 138
Trojan - 72
Higgins - 72
Dodge - 53
Lyman - 50
Dolphin - 21
Garwood - 13
Hackercraft - 11
Hutchinson - 8
Dart - 7
Huckins - 6
Stancraft - 4
Truscott - 4
Greavette -3
Sea Lion - 2
Minette - 1
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 06:33 AM
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Initially it seems the idea of a vintage group has interest from some highly qualified sources, urologists not withstanding. I sure would like to see PatMat and MACK with their Legend Model Boats step in here and give their 2 cents as well as others. My shop is ready and the mahoghany is waiting.
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 09:07 AM
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I would also be up for that - Like Syd's, my family has long been active in the 1:1 antique boating scene, from small outboards to 26-foot mahogany utilities. I've built several static model outboard boats over the years using plans from 1950s era "How To Build 20 Boats" and "Boatbuilder's Handbook" type collections.
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 11:10 AM
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On the subject of multiple specialized forums, I'm torn. Check out the "complexity" at:
http://www.modeltugforum.com/
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http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php

It's almost too much to deal with...
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 11:49 AM
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If we keep this up there won't be any more "scale boats" topic. I can see the "steam" topic and the "sail" topic and nobody like the old wood runabouts any more than I do but this is getting too spread out. Don't see a need for another topic for wood as most of what we have here now is wood. Seems redundant to me. Pete
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 11:53 AM
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"Classic Woodies" is what I think the OP was suggesting. If a forum for all wood boats, as CG Bob suggested, was made it would basically be a near clone to the Scale Boats forum as it exists now.

I think a forum dedicated to the classic woodies, IE the mahogany runabouts, would be just dandy.
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 01:15 PM
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I agree. The current scale forum runs the gamut of tug boats, warships, fishing vessels, scale racing boats, runabouts, cruisers, etc. Some sort of delineation between warships/work boats and classic runabouts/pleasure boats might be in order. The term "woodie" is most often used to refer to the classic mahogany boats from prior to 1960, but I think can be used in our terms to denote a classically styled power boat constructed mainly of wood.

A better means may be to simply split Scale into two groups: warships/workboats and pleasure boats.

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Old Apr 05, 2010, 06:02 PM
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If you look at the count of members online for Scale Sail and Steam, it's usually very small. Why start another specialty topic when Scale boats seems to cover all of them, and gives the reader a chance to easily look at boats other than those in his specialty? K. I. S. S.
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 06:51 PM
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Fat Beech was working on a "Watercar"... here in the scale forum.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=912474

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Old Apr 05, 2010, 07:28 PM
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I am just posting my thoughts on the idea of a separate forum for just “woodies” as you call them. I do not think that it could add much more than what has been coming forth on this forum. To split off to a separate forum might even hurt more than help because a person who really is not in to that type boat would have no reason to go to that forum.

The difference, as I see it, with this forum is that you do have a varied group of craftsman and craftswoman building and posting on this forum, if you do look at it, more than likely you will read the different threads as they are posted. The chances of a person looking at one of the “woodies” threads is increased because of the fact that it is intermingled with the other typed of scale built threads that are being posted.

As for Legend Model Boats, we are committed to manufacturing the finest possible scale wooden kits we can, from the ranks of the great boat builders and companies of the past. With are partnership with the Antique Boat Museum of Clayton, NY, we have the wherewithal to be manufacturing scale model boat kits from a variety of manufactures far into the future. We will be stretching or legs how ever, from time to time, to manufacture subjects other than the classic mahogany’s, as variety will keep the senses sharp and free from monotony.
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Old Apr 05, 2010, 11:17 PM
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I am a member of the Avalanche Fan Club of North America. http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php . Their forums are a mess. The mess is from over organizing the categories. I love the club, I love my truck, and I try to help out there when ever I can just as I do here, but it is hard to keep track of what you posted and where and what questions have an have not been asked/answered because the information is too spread out. I feel that even though these boats are wood and that makes them different from the glass, steel, alum. hulls they should not be on their own category. Even though the prototype is made of wood it is still a scale boat. If we keep breaking it up like that then we would have subcategories like:

Wood, sailing
Wood, tugs
Wood, Steamers (not tugs)
Wood, pattleboats
Wood, Racing boats
Wood, Chriscraft
Wood, Etc
and them make the same with glass, steel (riveted and welded) aluminum, and so on for materials.

At the end of the day they are all scale boats and should just be treated as such, I dont want to have to search through 15 different categories to find information on finishing a stained deck and what kind of boat would I be able to find that information from. ya see what I mean? Lets keep it nice and neat like it is now.

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Old Apr 05, 2010, 11:34 PM
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Massey,

Ditto, A+
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