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Old Jul 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
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Hey guys, I just wanted to mention I passed the test for my FIA license with my E-Typhoon! Was a super easy climb with the Kira 450-26 and a 16x10 Cam carb prop...
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Old Jul 13, 2013, 02:20 PM
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Hey guys, I just wanted to mention I passed the test for my FIA license with my E-Typhoon! Was a super easy climb with the Kira 450-26 and a 16x10 Cam carb prop...
Congratulations! What do you have to do to pass the test?

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Old Jul 13, 2013, 06:19 PM
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It was easier than my powered flight license, the one I passed recently only applies to gliders.

Phase 1: Launch and climb in a straight line without diverting
Phase 2: Power off and stay aloft for a minimum of 3 minutes
Phase 3: Above the runway, at the start, begin with flying a circuit. The last 90 deg turn needs to align the glider with the exact middle of the runway (all without power). Land within 30 meters of the pilot.

As you can see, no biggie. But flying the Phoon made things a lot easier
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Old Aug 03, 2013, 03:08 PM
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All,
I have a question concerning the throws for the ailerons and flaps: when the manual says "All measured from the outboard trailing edges" - it means towards the wing tip or towards the root?
Am I suppose to measure the throw where the aileron is at its widest (next to the flap) or where it is the narrowest (at the wing tip)?

Side question - are the manual recommendation a good start for the throws? Any dual rate recommendation?

the "manual" I am referring to: http://www.rcrcm.com/pdf/Typhoon-instruction-Manual.pdf
RCRCM recommendation:
GENERAL:
Ailerons = + 7 mm, -5 mm
Flaperon = +/- 8 mm
Rudder = As much as possible
Elevator = +/- 10 mm
CROW
Crow- Flap = As much as you can get.
Crow-Aileron = +7 mm
Crow-Elevator compensation = -4 mm
THERMAL (WHAT?) OR PUSSYCAT
Thermal or Cruise flap = -2 mm
Thermal or Cruise Aileron = -1mm
PACEMAKER SWITCHED ON?
Ailerons/flaps reflex up = 1-1.5mm
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Old Aug 03, 2013, 04:24 PM
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Hi turnale,

The recommended throws are measured from the tips for ailerons, root for flaps.

I have used the recommended throws as a starting point have worked well. I have added snap flaps, and the 'phoon really pulls hard and fast through turns/loops, much better than without. I have snap flaps active in all flight modes/conditions. Check out Slope Racer for their recommended setup.

You may need to open up the hinges to get full throws in ailerons, by carefully sanding/dremel the inside of the live hinge. My roll rate was a bit slow until I did this, and made sure I got at least the recommended travel.

Video from last weekend, slope soaring, fixed view so best in full screen:

E Typhoon at Beechmont (2 min 35 sec)


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Old Aug 04, 2013, 01:10 PM
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Found my answer on Tony's website sloperacer.co.uk
http://www.sloperacer.co.uk/_content/typhoon.asp

It is very clear:


Aileron (measured at tip)
Up 7mm
Down 5.5mm
Aileron (Camber) - Down 1.5mm
Aileron (CROW) Up 5mm
Aileron (Snap Flap mix) Up/Down 1.5mm
Aileron (Reflex) Up 1mm
Flap (Measured at root)
Flap / Aileron mix Up 8mm, Down 5mm
Flap (Camber) Down 3mm
Flap (CROW) Down 58mm
Flap (Snap Flap mix) Up/Down 3.5mm
Flap (Reflex) Up 1mm
Rudder (measured at base)
Left / Right 17mm
Elevator (Measured at widest point near root)
Up / Down 11mm
Elevator (CROW) down 9mm

Let's see if I will be able to get that .5mm precision
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Old Aug 04, 2013, 01:24 PM
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Be more interesting if you noticed the difference between 3mm and 3.5mm
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Old Aug 04, 2013, 02:09 PM
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I'm using Tony's setup and it works nicely.

The only issue is that with the ~9mm ish down compensation required for crow braking, there's not enough extra down travel on the elevator if you're set at the stated 11mm max travel. I've set my down elevator to something around 15mm to allow for this.

Hope this makes sense.

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Old Aug 04, 2013, 10:29 PM
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Recommend propulsion configuration

Hello All,

Can anyone suggest a recommend propulsion configuration for the E-Phoon?
I am looking for excellent climb rate for an economy budget

Thanks!
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Old Aug 05, 2013, 01:13 AM
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I'm using Tony's setup and it works nicely.

The only issue is that with the ~9mm ish down compensation required for crow braking, there's not enough extra down travel on the elevator if you're set at the stated 11mm max travel. I've set my down elevator to something around 15mm to allow for this.

Hope this makes sense.

Martin
Put another way, Tony's elevator setting will almost inevitably cause a crash at some point.

You need to increase the elevator setting to give more down elevator movement when crow braking is activated.

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Old Aug 05, 2013, 01:23 AM
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Hello All,

Can anyone suggest a recommend propulsion configuration for the E-Phoon?
I am looking for excellent climb rate for an economy budget

Thanks!
You could try one of the Turnigy GliderDrive motors from hobbyking http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...4_6_840kv.html

The 4.6 840 kv one looks good on 4S. I have one to try and the quality looks ok. Not sure about the best prop though 14x9 looks interesting.

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Old Aug 05, 2013, 04:41 AM
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MVVS motor could be another choice, more expensive but better quality than the Turnigy and cheaper than a geared drive http://www.espritmodel.com/mvvs-sail...ss-motors.aspx
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Old Aug 05, 2013, 05:56 AM
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You could try one of the Turnigy GliderDrive motors from hobbyking http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...4_6_840kv.html

The 4.6 840 kv one looks good on 4S. I have one to try and the quality looks ok. Not sure about the best prop though 14x9 looks interesting.

Martin
can you jam a 38mm motor in the nose?
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Old Aug 05, 2013, 10:18 AM
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Put another way, Tony's elevator setting will almost inevitably cause a crash at some point.

You need to increase the elevator setting to give more down elevator movement when crow braking is activated.

Martin
Thanks! I will maiden the typhoon tonight and will increase the throw beforehand.

This plane's weight is way above spec - 1950g against 1450g... should I be concerned?
This is the full carbon version, with Tony's recommended setup for power, run on a 1800mAh 70C 4s battery. I might have been able to save a few grams here and there by being more cautious with the glue usage, but certainly not 500g! The plane didn't even need lead for balancing.
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Old Aug 05, 2013, 10:21 AM
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can you jam a 38mm motor in the nose?
It might (haven't checked, I will tonight). You will have to cut the nose a great deal. If you want to make your life much easier, and have not problem at all finding a cheap and yet powerful power setup, get the RCRCM Hornet. Basically the same plane, but with a wider fuselage.
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