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Old Mar 28, 2010, 03:18 PM
What package dear?
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The airframe is all new.
It is tuned and tested to fly well for beginners.
I would think of this as our special low price to get new pilots into the hobby. Beginner products sometimes involve sacrifice!


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David
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can you tell us how the champ handles wind compared to the Cub?

By the Video it looks like it has plenty of power with the 150mAh batteries?
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Old Mar 28, 2010, 05:58 PM
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Can anyone guess what purpose was behind the string with handle in the cockpit?

Itís my fly by bungee string rudder trim system. If I need more right rudder, I shorten the bungee string attached to the right rudder pedal. Most of my RC aircraft are light years ahead of the Piet in electronic gismosí (Piet has no electronics) and almost as fun to fly.

In thinking about this new Champ at this low price, it should be a Wally World killer for most hobby shops and Horizon. Can hardly wait for its release!
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 09:11 AM
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wow that thing does fly nice ... but it's so much like the UM cub ... hmm
Sure, if you ignore the extra four inches of wingspan, the extra ten grams of weight, the higher-capacity battery, and the 8 mm motor/gearbox combo, it's just like the Cub.

I want one. It looks like just the ticket for chasing micro thermals on lazy summer days, and I'm sure I'll think of something to do with the Vapor-style TX.
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 10:03 AM
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I'm interested in this plane. When I move to my new office over the summer, I will have access to a basketball gym in the same building. I want something I can fly in the gym. I was thinking about a Playmate, but now think the Champ might work. When someone has experience with it indoors, please post your opinions on the plane.

Thanks
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 12:53 PM
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Sure, if you ignore the extra four inches of wingspan, the extra ten grams of weight, the higher-capacity battery, and the 8 mm motor/gearbox combo, it's just like the Cub.

I want one. It looks like just the ticket for chasing micro thermals on lazy summer days, and I'm sure I'll think of something to do with the Vapor-style TX.
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but a bigger motor and more power would be ok... seems like a copy of the UM cub... -1 for originality ... love Horizon stuff but come on.... don't wanna stir the pot though
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 01:06 PM
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Since I know some are wondering, compared to the J-3, the Champ does have better low-speed handling qualities. It's a little more forgiving for the newbie pilot. It's also significantly larger.
I'm glad you guys enlarged these planes alittle bit.

It seems to me that the 22 to 24" wingspan is a very nice compromise between miniaturization and improved flying characteristics and I hope to see more offered in this range...and don't forget to offer a few bipes as well!!!...hint....check out the Poll vote for a PT-17 stearman hread in the Micro RTF section...

Gerry.
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 01:59 PM
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if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but a bigger motor and more power would be ok... seems like a copy of the UM cub... -1 for originality ... love Horizon stuff but come on.... don't wanna stir the pot though
There are a number of differences I am seeing, the Champ has more dihedral, some washout, and a more pronounced under camber on the wing for higher lift at the expense of more drag. It looks like it will have a self-limiting tendency for speed.

Compared to the Cessna Minimum and the Minimum Citabria, the UM J3 is sporty, slick, and very fast with not so much vertical tail effect at high angles, and happily tip stalls at low speeds and bank angles. Also there is a pronounced power-on pitch effect. I would hesitate to recommend it to a beginner.

The Champ looks to handle more like the minimum Citabria, predictable and largely self correcting with uneventful stalls focused on the inner wing, well before the tips. It addresses a need for a low cost, easy going scale trainer that is ready to go out of the box. Something the US domestic market does not have at the moment, or at least in near comparison with the semi-scale Hobbico Playmate.

I think the only similarity they share is that they are both micro-high wing cabin monoplanes. Flight characteristics look quite different.

The more the merrier I say!
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 02:07 PM
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Great summary super corgi....
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 02:18 PM
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This looks pretty neat. It might fill the relaxing evening flyer slot left by my worn out UM PZ Cessna 210.

How will this thing go with a Power10?
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Old Mar 29, 2010, 04:39 PM
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hmmm.....
Like the UM cub lol
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Old Mar 30, 2010, 09:18 AM
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I'm glad you guys enlarged these planes alittle bit.

It seems to me that the 22 to 24" wingspan is a very nice compromise between miniaturization and improved flying characteristics and I hope to see more offered in this range...and don't forget to offer a few bipes as well!!!...hint....check out the Poll vote for a PT-17 stearman hread in the Micro RTF section...

Gerry.
now that would be cool^^^^^^
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Old Mar 30, 2010, 12:06 PM
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100% in agreement. This looks like the perfect outdoor/some indoor replacement for the now discontinued 210 and citabria.

I havn't had a micro that I could fly without ANY worry since I decomissioned my Cit to build something out of sticks. I love my floaty stick and tissue stuff but when they are close to the floor...I still get nervous. I look forward to flying "silly" again.
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Old Mar 30, 2010, 07:53 PM
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It looks like a black belled Mustang 8.4mm motor in the pictures. That would be silly and would allow it to climb vertical.

Putting the SU-26 motor in there would make more sense.

Ok, so the black belled motor pic also shows an AR6400 (X-port visible) and no a Vapor Brick, so it probably won't have a mustang motor, either.
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Old Mar 31, 2010, 01:35 AM
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Darn, I was all set on the UM Cub now I have to wait for this first.

It really does look like a good choice for some calm slow flying with touch and goes at lunch.

John

Found the subject. Just have to fashion the struts.
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Old Mar 31, 2010, 12:41 PM
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Darn HBZ caused me to dig into my wallet again! Got one on BO from Redrocket. Early Fathers day present
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