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Old Mar 09, 2010, 12:57 PM
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Buying From China, Feeling Guilty?

I am currently getting back into RC planes after some 30 years out of the hobby.

Prices have sure come down a lot since then and I find myself buying all of my RC hobby toys and electronics from China.

With the trade defecit between USA and China already out of hand and getting worse by the second, anyone here from the US feeling guilty buying from China? I sure am.

Everyone here turning a blind eye so long as you get your toys?
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 01:19 PM
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I made two or three orders to Hobby City a couple of years ago, but haven't since then. I don't think I was feeling guilty about it as much as the fact that I found some good vendors here that give good customer service as well.

I'm glad that someone here can get a little piece of the pie, even though most all the stuff comes from China anyway.

Heck, the little GE chest freezer we bought not too long ago ended up being from China! It's getting tough to find what you want made in USA.
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 01:45 PM
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It's getting tough to find what you want made in USA.
Very true. I should add that one of my neighbors owns an engineering business and he was telling me how pathetic it is getting in that one of the products they make, they basically get most/all of the parts from China, assemble them, slap-on the made in USA sticker and sell it.

I still feel very guilty buying directly from China / Hong Kong - I mean, this is as direct as you can get and worse, it's for toys for goodness sake! If it was for health, or something of neccesity, but for toys! That's pretty sick in my opinion to be adding to the trade deficit.
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 01:48 PM
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Nope. No guilt at all.

It's not possible to be in this hobby at all if you only used made in the USA products.
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 01:57 PM
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With the trade defecit between USA and China already out of hand and getting worse by the second, anyone here from the US feeling guilty buying from China?
No. The trade 'deficit' is a meaningless measure. You send fitty bucks their way, they send what you agreed is worth more than fitty bucks your way. No deficit, wealth increase on both sides.

Plain old trade is nothing to feel guilty about. You owe your resources to no one but those whom you choose to trade with.
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 02:00 PM
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I still feel very guilty buying directly from China / Hong Kong - I mean, this is as direct as you can get and worse, it's for toys for goodness sake! If it was for health, or something of neccesity, but for toys! That's pretty sick in my opinion to be adding to the trade deficit.
indeed. Pretty sick and un-American too. But don't let the "free-marketeers"
hear this as they believe that consigning the American worker to the trash bin
of history is the patriotic thing to do since he's such an ingrate to want his/her
wages to grow in step with his/her productivity like it happens in them
socialist your-pean countries.
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 02:02 PM
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No. The trade 'deficit' is a meaningless measure. You send fitty bucks their way, they send what you agreed is worth more than fitty bucks your way. No deficit, wealth increase on both sides.
If both sides are making a product and both are exchanging equally, there is no trade deficit.

We have a trade deficit since the USA makes very little to export in comparison.
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We have a trade deficit since the USA makes very little to export in comparison.
And that is our own fault. We (as a people) wanted better lifestyles, and in the process raised wages and the standard of living to the point that it is pretty much impossible to manufacture most anything to compete with the world anymore.
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It's pretty much all made in China anyhow. Whether you buy directly from overseas or pay a markup to someone else who buys from overseas, the amount going overseas is no different. The only question is one of whether you choose to pay a markup to a middleman. It's one thing if the middleman is offering a service in exchange for the markup, but paying a markup just to pretend you don't know where the goods came from is irrational.

You can still scratch build a big bird and put a DA on it... but your radio gear's still gonna come out of China.

Just my 0.02
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If both sides are making a product and both are exchanging equally, there is no trade deficit.
I am making a product and the Chinese agree it is a product.

That product is called capital and it's currency is cash. We exchange product for product equally automatically, and that is called trade.

Those who wish to make their own value judgements concerning others trades and then impose their own values into the trade use flim flammery like the idea of a trade 'deficit'.
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hear this as they believe that consigning the American worker to the trash bin
of history is the patriotic thing to do since he's such an ingrate to want his/her
wages to grow in step with his/her productivity like it happens in them
socialist your-pean countries.
Such an ingrate he'll violate innocent people rights in order to line his own pockets is more like it.
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Old Mar 09, 2010, 02:17 PM
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And that is our own fault.
Yes and like I said, I feel guilty and it's by our own doing.

What I find interesting (for lack of a better word) is those who feel is all fine and dandy so long as they get their toys cheap.
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I am making a product and the Chinese agree it is a product.
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Does the word Tangible ring a bell?
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What I find interesting (for lack of a better word) is those who feel is all fine and dandy so long as they get their toys cheap.
It's not about toys, and it's not about cheap. It's about value for your dollar. If it could be had buying products from elsewhere, then products would be bought elsewhere.

The economy isn't strong, and it certainly seems no matter who's in power it's not going to get strong any time soon, so people will continue to buy what is the best value for what little money they have to spend. Be it on toys or anything else.
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Does the word Tangible ring a bell?
Does the word irrelevant ring one?


Desire itself is intangible ....and yet it is the sole driver and creator of value on both sides of the transaction.
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