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Old Feb 28, 2010, 03:42 PM
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RC Lander 90MM design flaw?

I purchased a LEDF90-1A16 90mmm RC Lander fan unit for a scratch built U-2. Very nice piece of hardware, but two very weird features (see pics). As I understand their concept, there are grooves cut into the circumference around the fan so they can have a zero gap fan to shroud interface (OK). Problem is there is what can only be described as a sharp trip on the inlet lip. This detail at the lead in to the fan will turbulate the flow at the wall/ blade tip and negate any affect having no gap might have added. The second feature is a .2" sharp step directly after the fan instead of the typical gradual increase in area downstream.

In my application I'm sure it will work fine, but Lander should consider changing the design. At a bare minimum they might get a few more % thrust that they could advertise. I also wonder if this is the discrepancy I've seen in many posts about the actual thrust vs what is shown on the You-tube videos. Do any of you have the other versions of their 90mm fan and do they have these goofy details in the shroud?
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Old Feb 28, 2010, 04:18 PM
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IMHO It's an unfinished shroud. For milling one needs a teethed cutter to remove volume and a normal cutter for precision tolerance. The Shroud needs to be volume milled from 2 sides and finish milled after that . If they pre mill and finish one side and the other side after that you'd end up with an oval shroud. There are at least 3 clamp repositions to make this shroud and they forgot the last one. You are luckey the rotor gap is so big your rotor does fit in this unfinished dia.

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Old Mar 02, 2010, 07:12 AM
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I didn't think they were cheap compared to a wemo...
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 09:15 AM
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My inlet is smooth, no sharp edges.
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 09:19 AM
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I didn't think they were cheap compared to a wemo...
Remains to be seen. It was 150$. It seems like roughly the same or less than wemo if i had the time to trudge through a thousand threads to find a good enough 6S 6lb thrust motor setup.

More on the fan: It's a new version of their LEDF-90 series fan. It looks like the motor housing and everthing up to the stators is the same, but the fan shroud directly around the fan and the rotor are different. The rotor is 85mm not 90 and all of that goofy inlet stuff seems to be the change. The other versions of their 90mm fan look like no kidding 90mm and they have nice inlet lips and no step after the fan. The videos on line show them running both versions at about the same thrust. I'm skeptical though. The older "nice inlet" version is shown powered off of 6s packs while this new version is run off of a power supply. I've used power supplies enough to know you set the amps/ volts you want and go test. If this motor/ fan/ shroud geom can't pull 85amps then the online test is bunk. I'm inclined to send this thing back and get the older version. Thoughts??
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 09:38 AM
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A friend of my purchase one also! I did notice what you have posted! also it is not a 90mm as advertised it is 85mm..oops!
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 09:41 AM
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What power range are you looking for?
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 09:59 AM
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Nothin' but a glass like finish on our Skyworld EDFs.
Now nickle plated.
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 10:14 AM
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But theirs works and yours dosen't.
Remind me to NEVER buy from any vendor who would make a post like yours above. Bashing a competitor's product and promoting your own. Very unprofessional.
I didn't bash anything.
Our EDFs work fine. We have run our 70mm rotor to 1250 watts. We now have a balancer and will see how much we can increase that.
We now offer the Skyworld EDF kits only. Add your own motor, or use one of our ARC or Mega motors. Sorry, it would'nt be plug and play.

You sure are dogmatic for your 6th post. Welcome to RCG.
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 10:29 AM
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but theirs works and yours dosen't.
Remind me to never buy from any vendor who would make a post like yours above. Bashing a competitor's product and promoting your own. Very unprofessional.
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 10:37 AM
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What power range are you looking for?
I'm after 6lbs of thrust in bursts. 4lbs continuous. The RC lander may get me there, but I've got a lot of reasons to question that it will actually produce the book #'s. FWIW it's got a 85mm fan and it has the exact same #'s as their no kidding 90mm fan. That plus all of the weird aero features doesn't pass the sniff test. I'm really worried I've got a 4 lb-thrust fan not a 6 lb-thrust fan as advertised.

I think the old version may work fine. It's the one that has many videos on you-tube and does have a nice duct.
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 10:37 AM
another MONSTER ?
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oops wrong thread
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 10:45 AM
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 11:05 AM
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I'm after 6lbs of thrust in bursts. 4lbs continuous. Matt
for 6s, low/mid range power:
post1-6: 1600w/2.8kg
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1170649
1400W:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=1094
1700W
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=59940&page=43

the 1700w link was quite a search because Herb used a smaller fan initially
I think you'r good enough with a midi and the $19.95 turnegy

All the best,
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Old Mar 02, 2010, 11:35 AM
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Stop and consider the source of this post for a moment. "plugandplay" is Mr. Curtis Mattikow of EasyTiger models.
I don't keep up with the banned and relabeled users. (except Gene )
But I've read plenty about the name.

It was a pleasure meeting him.
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