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Old May 25, 2003, 03:01 AM
JR
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Well... there is this little problem. CA still has what is probably the best
weather in the world. Who else has a building season that is defined as
anything under 65 degrees F 'cause it's just to cold to fly? When it rains,
it makes national news. Once every 10 years or so we have an earthquake, no
seasonal tornados, hurricanes, or blizzards.

Some of the environmental laws really did help. Unfortunately, anything
taken to it's logical extreme is ridiculous. Our politicians are no
exception to that rule, but..... just remember, California seems to lead
the way, what starts here eventually migrates everywhere else. Example:
emission controls on autos.


"Mike" <mforeman4823@comcastnospam.net> wrote in message
news:7KecnenQSo3_rE2jXTWcpQ@comcast.com...
> MOVE!!!!
>
>
> "JR" <jr-ama732@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:gxRza.711746$OV.660966@rwcrnsc54...
> > Ahh.... not an option. It is against the law to ship those products into

> CA.
> > Alternative: have an out of state friend or relative buy them and ship

> them
> > to you.
> >
> > JR
> >
> > "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> > news:3ECFB916.3030004@b.c...
> > > Gary Gullikson wrote:
> > >
> > > > My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

> > difficult
> > > > to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like

> Balsarite.
> > > > Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled

> as
> > > > "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop

> owners
> > then
> > > > become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing

> > phoney
> > > > enviornmental groups, etc.
> > > >
> > > > This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

> > artist
> > > > paints and supplies, automotive paints.
> > > >
> > > > Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of

the
> > HIA,
> > > > waiting to hear from them.
> > > >
> > > > Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mail order is your friend....
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



Old May 25, 2003, 03:01 AM
Six_O'Clock_High
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???


"David AMA40795 / KC5UH" <#$%^ham2405@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> And the part that pisses me off is that I must pay more in Texas
> because of the crap that CA is requiring on products!
>
> CA idiot politicians think that if they can legislate, it will happen!
> If so, then electric cars would be the norm there.
>
> What about the NIMBY attitude - I want the power, but not the
> generator because it causes pollution.......I want the gasoline, but I
> sure as hell do not want the refinery nearby. And CA's wonder why
> they had an electricity shortage, and why their gasoline is so high
> priced.
>
> Yall out there need to do something about the IDIOTS in Sacremento!!!
>
> David


Like our idiots in Ardmore.
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2003 18:56:45 -0700, The Doctor <doctor@whoever.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Matthew Orme" <morme@orme.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Big deal. It has no impact on sales. It goes on lead fishing weights, to
> >>electric motors. I buy special varnishes, and they all have the sticker

on
> >>them.

> >
> >The "sticker" is also being put up on every apartment complex in the
> >state. On ours, it even warns about the BBQ smoke, car exhaust smoke,
> >and tennants cigarette smoke may contain cancer causing chemeicals.
> >Also, just about every auto supply store I've been in has had to put
> >them up.
> >
> >The law made it so just about anyone can sue under Prop 65. So
> >lawyers are going around threatening to sue just about anyone because
> >everything contains some microscopic amount of chemical that may cause
> >cancer. They basically start a lawsuit, then call whoever they are
> >suing and say "Pay me $XXXX and we'll drop the suit." Which of course
> >would be cheaper than defending yourself.
> >
> >The Doctor
> >
> >"And isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway? I mean
> >all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when
> >you're good and crazy, oooh oooh oooh, the sky is the
> >limit!"-The Tick

>
>



Old May 26, 2003, 03:00 AM
Fred McClellan
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

On Sun, 25 May 2003 20:56:32 +0000 (UTC), "Paul McIntosh"
<paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote:

>During normal high pressure periods in southern California, smog from LA
>flows out to sea at night and back on shore during the day. Those are also
>the periods when the smog is the worst!
>


Correct. It flows West until it stacks up against the
nearly-perpetual fog bank some 8 to 10 miles off shore.

But it doesn't flow seventy-odd miles West, which is what it has to do
to 'turn the corner' at Mugu Rock.

It just flows offshore a while and then returns when the inland
temperatures start going back up, usually around 10 AM or so. That
is, the portion which didn't drift South along with the Kushiro
current.

If you'd spent some time at sea in the area, you'd know that when
steaming South along the coastline you can run into a 'wall' of smog
at Point Dume. The nomal Southerly flow past the point causes an eddy
which traps the smog South of the point.

The same exact thing happens at Point Arguello, but it is much more
pronounced. In 1927 an entire squadron of destroyers found that out
the hard way. The entire left column of the Southward-steaming
sqauadron stacked up on the rocks at Arguello. The monument is on
Vandenberg's South Base. I drove up and down that coastline many many
times in 20 years of tooling around the Pacific in Uncle Sugar's Canoe
Club.

But enough of that.

The original point was that many modeling supplies are no longer
available in Kalifornia for no real good reason other than the
overbearing AQMD and CEPA won't go after the real polluters, and
they've got to do _something_ to justify thier existence.

Old May 26, 2003, 03:00 AM
David AMA40795 / KC5UH
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Oh my gosh, the Okies are doing it too ????

Or is your Ardmore in a different state??

David

On Sun, 25 May 2003 06:05:44 GMT, "Six_O'Clock_High"
<Target_Lock@Guns.com> wrote:
>
>Like our idiots in Ardmore.
>>


Old May 26, 2003, 03:00 AM
Six_O'Clock_High
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

ROFLOL!!!!

No, but the Killer D's went there. So the Okies just looked and wondered
who those idiots were.

"David AMA40795 / KC5UH" <#$%^ham2405@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oh my gosh, the Okies are doing it too ????
>
> Or is your Ardmore in a different state??
>
> David
>
> On Sun, 25 May 2003 06:05:44 GMT, "Six_O'Clock_High"
> <Target_Lock@Guns.com> wrote:
> >
> >Like our idiots in Ardmore.
> >>

>



Old May 27, 2003, 03:00 AM
David AMA40795 / KC5UH
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

A bunch of DUMMYcrats <G>.

David

On Mon, 26 May 2003 05:22:55 GMT, "Six_O'Clock_High"
<Target_Lock@Guns.com> wrote:

>ROFLOL!!!!
>
>No, but the Killer D's went there. So the Okies just looked and wondered
>who those idiots were.
>
>"David AMA40795 / KC5UH" <#$%^ham2405@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3ed18039.13252385@netnews.attbi.com...
>> Oh my gosh, the Okies are doing it too ????
>>
>> Or is your Ardmore in a different state??
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Sun, 25 May 2003 06:05:44 GMT, "Six_O'Clock_High"
>> <Target_Lock@Guns.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Like our idiots in Ardmore.
>> >>

>>

>
>


Old May 27, 2003, 03:00 AM
Daze
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Just ask the LHS put their own stickers on every "suspect"
product warning of cancer, scabies, dropsey and the like.
Does the warning have to come from the manufacturer?
Does it have to be printed on the original label?

Daze
Old May 28, 2003, 03:01 AM
Pete Christensen
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

There is a reason the rest of us call it the land of fruits and nuts.



Gary Gullikson <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
>



Old May 28, 2003, 03:01 AM
David AMA40795 / KC5UH
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

For right now, it is a sticker. I think it is a case of making the
mfgr do it because I think the LHS would be sorely tempted to offer
Sacremento a one-fingered salute. As a result, it is easier to label
all the items instead of singling out CA bound stuff.

David

On 26 May 2003 16:58:05 -0700, spamcan@pclink.com (Daze) wrote:

>Just ask the LHS put their own stickers on every "suspect"
>product warning of cancer, scabies, dropsey and the like.
>Does the warning have to come from the manufacturer?
>Does it have to be printed on the original label?
>
>Daze


Old May 28, 2003, 03:01 AM
Matthew Orme
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

I believe that anyone placing the item in the chain of commerce is liable.
Manufacturer, Hobby shop, distributor, etc.

"David AMA40795 / KC5UH" <#$%^ham2405@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> For right now, it is a sticker. I think it is a case of making the
> mfgr do it because I think the LHS would be sorely tempted to offer
> Sacremento a one-fingered salute. As a result, it is easier to label
> all the items instead of singling out CA bound stuff.
>
> David
>
> On 26 May 2003 16:58:05 -0700, spamcan@pclink.com (Daze) wrote:
>
> >Just ask the LHS put their own stickers on every "suspect"
> >product warning of cancer, scabies, dropsey and the like.
> >Does the warning have to come from the manufacturer?
> >Does it have to be printed on the original label?
> >
> >Daze

>
>



Old May 29, 2003, 03:00 AM
Walter Nowosad
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Paints arae tough to pick. Actually, I'm checking out our server to
determine if this posting actually worked. sorry for the clutter.
"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
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> When I look at what has been done to our environment through LACK of
> enforcement of regulation, it makes me sick.
>
> All military installations were exempt from most of the regulations for
> decades. Now, whenever a military base is closed, it costs millions to
> clean up the toxic dumps left behind and some sites cannot be transferred

to
> the public for decades until the cleanup is finished. I worked on two

such
> bases. Ground water pollution at the Sacramento Army Depot and McClellan
> AFB both extended miles from the base boundaries and elaborate pumping and
> cleaning equipment had to be installed to try to draw the plumes back
> towards the bases. I left the depot in 1992 and they estimated at least

10
> years to get the plume back inside the base boundary.
>
> If you are a fishing enthusiast in central california, you should be very
> aware of what dumpng the rice fields into the Sacramento River has done to
> the salmon, striper and shad populations. About 35 years ago, the fish
> counts at Keswick dam wer numbered in the hundreds of thousands. The last
> year I attempted salmon fishing (around 1991) the count was 600. Very
> little of this can be attributed to commercial fishing since the migratory
> paths of Sac River fish never brought them into commercially viable

fishing
> areas unlike the Pacific Northwest salmon.
>
> Most of the decline was attributed to agricultural runoff, with the
> fungicides in the rice patties being at the top. Remember the huge plumes
> of acrid smoke from burning of the rice fields in the late summer and

early
> fall? Dire consequences were predicted when most of the burning was

banned
> or restricted. The end result? A LOT cleaner air and no drop in rice
> production.
>
> The highest ever acid fog readings ever recorded on earth occurred at Pt.
> Mugu radar station (Oxnard, CA). The PH was 1.9. That is like pure

nitric
> acid! The pollution from the Los Angeles Basin flows out to sea and at
> night, mixes with the humid aire and returns to land in the morning as

acid
> fog.
>
> Fred, remember the Kesterton wildlife refuge near Los Banos? Selenium
> poisoning killed off nearly all the migratory birds in the refuge. A lot

of
> it was attributed to agricultural runoff and leaching.
>
> Mercury poisoning in several Sierra foothill streams and lakes has gotten
> bad enough for the state to issue health warnings about eating the fish.
> Runoff from old gold mining operatons is the culprit. Catch dams have

been
> built at many of the known sites to try to keep the runoff contained.
> During very wet years, these dams have been overrun.
>
> The list goes on and on. The free-wheeling attitudes of days gone by are
> over.
>
>
> "Fred McClellan" <modelbof@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:1l30dvclkmg26f3es0rflr28d9p9ft2mn8@4ax.com...
> >
> > On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:16:28 -0700, "Gary Gullikson"
> > <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote:
> >
> > >My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

> difficult
> > >to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> > >Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> > >"cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

> then
> > >become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing

> phoney
> > >enviornmental groups, etc.
> > >
> > >This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

> artist
> > >paints and supplies, automotive paints.
> > >
> > >Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

> HIA,
> > >waiting to hear from them.
> > >

> >
> > The CA EPA came to be as a result of places like Casmalia. Ask me, I
> > lived there.
> >
> > Casmalia, that is.
> >
> > What the CA EPA did was nothing; they whined to the Fed and got
> > Casmalia put on the Superfund so the whole country would have to pay
> > for the cleanup, which of course has yet to happen.
> >
> > Your one chance in hell of fixing things is through the initiative
> > process.
> >
> >
> >

>
>



 


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