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Old May 25, 2003, 04:00 AM
Gary Gullikson
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No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it difficult
to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
"cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners then
become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
enviornmental groups, etc.

This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but artist
paints and supplies, automotive paints.

Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the HIA,
waiting to hear from them.

Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA

Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
HH
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

You live there, start voting the liberal politicians out of office and get
the laws changed, and the rest of the country will quit snickering.


"Gary Gullikson" <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
The Natural Philosopher
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Gary Gullikson wrote:

> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
>
>


Mail order is your friend....

Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
Phil
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Part of Gray Davis and his liberal "feel good" politics. You can move out of
CA, or start trying to get all those to the left to understand the impact on all
those "feel good" policies. I would have thought you guys would have learned
with the energy crisis, but you voted him back in office. The great thing about
freedom is you have the opportunity to live with what you elect or move. But to
the bright side is setting an example for those in the rest of the country that
don't understand the impact of way left liberalism to business and daily quality
of life. I bet RC being outlawed in CA is not too far down the road.
Phil

Gary Gullikson wrote:

> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA


Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
Six_O'Clock_High
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Sorry you are having a problem with modeling supplies. Wonder how long it
will be before you can no longer buy anything in California. Write to Diane
Feinstein and the Democratic Party leader for California. Actually write to
any friendly Democrat you voted for since THEY are the ones who set the
rules making you are complaining about in process. It is called the law of
unintended consequences.

"Gary Gullikson" <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
>
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
First Name
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

The entire state voted for democrats. It's your problem.




"Gary Gullikson" <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
JR
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Yeah, write Feinstein. She is probably the most knowledgeable Dem in the
state. She is the one that stated shortly after the Columbine shootings "we
are talking about a 9 mm here, not a .38" in making her case against 9 mm
weapons.

JR

Six_O'Clock_High" <Target_Lock@Guns.com> wrote in message
news:y8Pza.15011$Io.1285940@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> Sorry you are having a problem with modeling supplies. Wonder how long it
> will be before you can no longer buy anything in California. Write to

Diane
> Feinstein and the Democratic Party leader for California. Actually write

to
> any friendly Democrat you voted for since THEY are the ones who set the
> rules making you are complaining about in process. It is called the law

of
> unintended consequences.
>
> "Gary Gullikson" <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
> news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

> difficult
> > to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> > Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> > "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

> then
> > become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing

phoney
> > enviornmental groups, etc.
> >
> > This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

> artist
> > paints and supplies, automotive paints.
> >
> > Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

> HIA,
> > waiting to hear from them.
> >
> > Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
> >
> >

>
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
JR
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Ahh.... not an option. It is against the law to ship those products into CA.
Alternative: have an out of state friend or relative buy them and ship them
to you.

JR

"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:3ECFB916.3030004@b.c...
> Gary Gullikson wrote:
>
> > My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> > to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> > Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> > "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> > become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing

phoney
> > enviornmental groups, etc.
> >
> > This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> > paints and supplies, automotive paints.
> >
> > Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> > waiting to hear from them.
> >
> > Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
> >
> >

>
> Mail order is your friend....
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
JR
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

Most automotive paints have already been reformulated. Find a good
automotive paint store. They will normally help and can match the paint to
the covering. From my experience, we in CA are not losing much without
Lustrekote. It was hard to apply a as easily as most spray paints. The
politics are another matter and maybe the CA politicians should be labeled
as hazardous to your health.

JR

"Gary Gullikson" <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
> enviornmental groups, etc.
>
> This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
> Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> waiting to hear from them.
>
> Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
Matthew Orme
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???


"Gary Gullikson" <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote in message
news:bao5s0027c5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> "cancer causing",


Yes it does. It is so far reaching, as to be meaningless. Here is one
version of it
"California Proposition 65: This product may contain detectable amount of
some chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth
defects or other reproductive effects."

Big deal. It has no impact on sales. It goes on lead fishing weights, to
electric motors. I buy special varnishes, and they all have the sticker on
them.

What is really causing the shortage is the AQMD's basic banning of solvent
based paints in anything but very small quantities. Try buying a gallon of
Thomsons Water Seal in the solvent based formula, not the oil based one they
had to replace it with here.

Give it up. The democrats run the state, and more govt is what you get.




Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
Fred McClellan
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???


On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:16:28 -0700, "Gary Gullikson"
<garyg@oc-net.com> wrote:

>My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it difficult
>to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
>Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
>"cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners then
>become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing phoney
>enviornmental groups, etc.
>
>This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but artist
>paints and supplies, automotive paints.
>
>Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the HIA,
>waiting to hear from them.
>


The CA EPA came to be as a result of places like Casmalia. Ask me, I
lived there.

Casmalia, that is.

What the CA EPA did was nothing; they whined to the Fed and got
Casmalia put on the Superfund so the whole country would have to pay
for the cleanup, which of course has yet to happen.

Your one chance in hell of fixing things is through the initiative
process.



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
Paul McIntosh
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

When I look at what has been done to our environment through LACK of
enforcement of regulation, it makes me sick.

All military installations were exempt from most of the regulations for
decades. Now, whenever a military base is closed, it costs millions to
clean up the toxic dumps left behind and some sites cannot be transferred to
the public for decades until the cleanup is finished. I worked on two such
bases. Ground water pollution at the Sacramento Army Depot and McClellan
AFB both extended miles from the base boundaries and elaborate pumping and
cleaning equipment had to be installed to try to draw the plumes back
towards the bases. I left the depot in 1992 and they estimated at least 10
years to get the plume back inside the base boundary.

If you are a fishing enthusiast in central california, you should be very
aware of what dumpng the rice fields into the Sacramento River has done to
the salmon, striper and shad populations. About 35 years ago, the fish
counts at Keswick dam wer numbered in the hundreds of thousands. The last
year I attempted salmon fishing (around 1991) the count was 600. Very
little of this can be attributed to commercial fishing since the migratory
paths of Sac River fish never brought them into commercially viable fishing
areas unlike the Pacific Northwest salmon.

Most of the decline was attributed to agricultural runoff, with the
fungicides in the rice patties being at the top. Remember the huge plumes
of acrid smoke from burning of the rice fields in the late summer and early
fall? Dire consequences were predicted when most of the burning was banned
or restricted. The end result? A LOT cleaner air and no drop in rice
production.

The highest ever acid fog readings ever recorded on earth occurred at Pt.
Mugu radar station (Oxnard, CA). The PH was 1.9. That is like pure nitric
acid! The pollution from the Los Angeles Basin flows out to sea and at
night, mixes with the humid aire and returns to land in the morning as acid
fog.

Fred, remember the Kesterton wildlife refuge near Los Banos? Selenium
poisoning killed off nearly all the migratory birds in the refuge. A lot of
it was attributed to agricultural runoff and leaching.

Mercury poisoning in several Sierra foothill streams and lakes has gotten
bad enough for the state to issue health warnings about eating the fish.
Runoff from old gold mining operatons is the culprit. Catch dams have been
built at many of the known sites to try to keep the runoff contained.
During very wet years, these dams have been overrun.

The list goes on and on. The free-wheeling attitudes of days gone by are
over.


"Fred McClellan" <modelbof@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1l30dvclkmg26f3es0rflr28d9p9ft2mn8@4ax.com...
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:16:28 -0700, "Gary Gullikson"
> <garyg@oc-net.com> wrote:
>
> >My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

difficult
> >to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like Balsarite.
> >Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled as
> >"cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop owners

then
> >become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing

phoney
> >enviornmental groups, etc.
> >
> >This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

artist
> >paints and supplies, automotive paints.
> >
> >Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

HIA,
> >waiting to hear from them.
> >

>
> The CA EPA came to be as a result of places like Casmalia. Ask me, I
> lived there.
>
> Casmalia, that is.
>
> What the CA EPA did was nothing; they whined to the Fed and got
> Casmalia put on the Superfund so the whole country would have to pay
> for the cleanup, which of course has yet to happen.
>
> Your one chance in hell of fixing things is through the initiative
> process.
>
>
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
The Doctor
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

"Matthew Orme" <morme@orme.org> wrote:


>Big deal. It has no impact on sales. It goes on lead fishing weights, to
>electric motors. I buy special varnishes, and they all have the sticker on
>them.


The "sticker" is also being put up on every apartment complex in the
state. On ours, it even warns about the BBQ smoke, car exhaust smoke,
and tennants cigarette smoke may contain cancer causing chemeicals.
Also, just about every auto supply store I've been in has had to put
them up.

The law made it so just about anyone can sue under Prop 65. So
lawyers are going around threatening to sue just about anyone because
everything contains some microscopic amount of chemical that may cause
cancer. They basically start a lawsuit, then call whoever they are
suing and say "Pay me $XXXX and we'll drop the suit." Which of course
would be cheaper than defending yourself.

The Doctor

"And isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway? I mean
all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when
you're good and crazy, oooh oooh oooh, the sky is the
limit!"-The Tick
Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
Mike
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

MOVE!!!!


"JR" <jr-ama732@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:gxRza.711746$OV.660966@rwcrnsc54...
> Ahh.... not an option. It is against the law to ship those products into

CA.
> Alternative: have an out of state friend or relative buy them and ship

them
> to you.
>
> JR
>
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:3ECFB916.3030004@b.c...
> > Gary Gullikson wrote:
> >
> > > My local hobby shops say that CA enviornmental regulations make it

> difficult
> > > to buy fuel proof model airplane paints and other items like

Balsarite.
> > > Apparently, CA requlations require that almost everthing be labelled

as
> > > "cancer causing", and manufacturer's refuse to label. Hobby shop

owners
> then
> > > become vulnerable to law suits form opportunist lawers representing

> phoney
> > > enviornmental groups, etc.
> > >
> > > This has effectively curtialed supplies of not only hobby paints but

> artist
> > > paints and supplies, automotive paints.
> > >
> > > Who do we write to to complain? I have asked this same question of the

> HIA,
> > > waiting to hear from them.
> > >
> > > Gary Gullikson, Garden Grove, CA
> > >
> > >

> >
> > Mail order is your friend....
> >

>
>



Old May 25, 2003, 04:01 AM
David AMA40795 / KC5UH
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Re: No More Hobby Paints for Sale in CA???

And the part that pisses me off is that I must pay more in Texas
because of the crap that CA is requiring on products!

CA idiot politicians think that if they can legislate, it will happen!
If so, then electric cars would be the norm there.

What about the NIMBY attitude - I want the power, but not the
generator because it causes pollution.......I want the gasoline, but I
sure as hell do not want the refinery nearby. And CA's wonder why
they had an electricity shortage, and why their gasoline is so high
priced.

Yall out there need to do something about the IDIOTS in Sacremento!!!

David

On Sat, 24 May 2003 18:56:45 -0700, The Doctor <doctor@whoever.com>
wrote:

>"Matthew Orme" <morme@orme.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Big deal. It has no impact on sales. It goes on lead fishing weights, to
>>electric motors. I buy special varnishes, and they all have the sticker on
>>them.

>
>The "sticker" is also being put up on every apartment complex in the
>state. On ours, it even warns about the BBQ smoke, car exhaust smoke,
>and tennants cigarette smoke may contain cancer causing chemeicals.
>Also, just about every auto supply store I've been in has had to put
>them up.
>
>The law made it so just about anyone can sue under Prop 65. So
>lawyers are going around threatening to sue just about anyone because
>everything contains some microscopic amount of chemical that may cause
>cancer. They basically start a lawsuit, then call whoever they are
>suing and say "Pay me $XXXX and we'll drop the suit." Which of course
>would be cheaper than defending yourself.
>
>The Doctor
>
>"And isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway? I mean
>all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when
>you're good and crazy, oooh oooh oooh, the sky is the
>limit!"-The Tick


 


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