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Old May 22, 2003, 09:21 AM
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Brushless Motor Acting Strange

Someone Please tell me what this means. Yesterday my Mega 5T motor starting acting strange and the problem went away. I plugged in the battery and advanced the Throttle and the Prop started rocking back and forth and then stopped. After the 4th attempt to get it working, every thing started acting normal again. Weird! Any thoughts on this one. Thanks

David Yerby
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Old May 22, 2003, 10:14 AM
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I have no experience with these, but since noone has answered, I will tell you what I think based on previous threads I have read. I think it might be the speed control. The speed control is what tells the motor what to do, and if it is having a hard time determining what position the shaft is in, it might not be able to figure out what sequence to send to the motor for correct operation. So that is my guess.

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Old May 22, 2003, 10:19 AM
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Thanks Dale. I cannot seem to duplicate the Problem again. The ESC is Castle Creations 25 Amp.
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Old May 22, 2003, 10:29 AM
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I believe Dale has it right though I've only ever actually seen that with twin brushless motors on one ESC. It's possible for the motor to get into a position where the ESC can't quite work out what to do. Usually just moving the prop round a few degrees fixes it. If it happens again try that.

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Old May 22, 2003, 10:45 AM
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I have the same problem with my mega 3turn in a gearbox.
Sometimes the motor won't start (usually when the batt is near empty) Turn the prop a bit, and it will start.

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Old May 22, 2003, 11:05 AM
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Thank Guys. When It did happen I cranked the Prop around and around a few times. Diconnected the battery and tryed again with the Same Results. On the 4th try it started working just fine. Im not sure if I did any thing different. I tried several times to duplicate the problem but it wouldn't.

Also I wasn't getting the second Beeps on my controller that Indicates the throttle is Armed. People with Castle Creations ESC's would no what I mean about the Beeps.

Next time I will just move the Prop slightly and see what happens.

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Old May 22, 2003, 01:02 PM
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Same Here!!

My Phoenix 25 with MiniAC1215/16 in GWS B gearbox acted the same. I sent it in to Castle Creations. Invoice said they repaired it and updated the software. It acted exactly the same on 12X6 GWS props. Motor and Esc get very hot while prop is oscillating.
On smaller props it runs fine usually after a hiccup during throttle up. I think that a 10X8 prop is probably the best for my setup.

It may be that my gearbox has slight binding problems such that with the 12" prop there is to much inertia for the ESC to deal with. 12" prop was recommended by Doug Binder for max vertical but is really to large in diameter for landing gear on my SB 3D anyway.
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Old May 22, 2003, 01:21 PM
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Humm Im not using a Gear Box. Direct Drive with APC 8 x 4 Prop. It was just rocking back and forth. The motor was stone cold at the time.
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Old May 22, 2003, 08:03 PM
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You might try programming in more advance for your Phoenix. The Phoenix 10 I own needs high advance setting to start my CD-ROM motors, which are multi pole like your Mega.

BTW is a 5t Mega a little hot for an 8" prop DD? You might be having some large voltage drop if the Ph 25 is sucking a lot of current trying to start a big prop. Another thing might be to advance the left stick slowly and see if bringing up the power slowly helps.

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Old May 22, 2003, 08:09 PM
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Humm now you got me thinking Loooooeeeeee. Maybe I should Prob it down to 7 x4 or I might go ahead a gear it. Thanks
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Old May 23, 2003, 12:26 AM
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Loooooeeee,

what do you mean by CD-ROM motors?
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Old May 23, 2003, 01:24 AM
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per most of the bl motor controller theory descriptions, where a single unpowered motor phase coil furnishes the rotor magnet's position, how could multiple motors off one single controller ever work right ???? ....... kw
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Old May 23, 2003, 07:11 AM
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Dumb luck?
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Old May 23, 2003, 08:11 AM
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Fly4fun, do your batteries get hot? I'm using a 8x4" and 8x6" on my Mega 6 turn. The 8x6 is pushing it with 8x950Kan's or 8x1100Hecells. The 8x4" runs cool on the 6 turn so is probably near the limit for your motor, but okay as long as your not overheating anything.

I'm wondering if the weird rocking might be a loose connection. I've has one of the three wires break on two different motors and they both did the same rocking thing. Only didn't start working again till I fixed the wire. You might have a break where it's not obvious or is making partial contact.

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Old May 23, 2003, 09:00 AM
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check your connection

It sounds like you might have a poor connection between speed controller and motor.
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