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Old Jul 09, 2012, 02:53 AM
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Nice to hear that people are having sucsess with their Clusters.. Could you please post your setup here..
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Old Jul 09, 2012, 07:18 AM
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Some lithuanians are flying 120mm cg,tryed it but not nice for me at high wind/turbulance weather, I got now 116mm at my,but im going to take it little bit back.
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Old Jul 09, 2012, 11:53 AM
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I found the included set ups are very, very close. Especially the camber for cruse (looking for thermals above min sink) and run (get to a known thermal).

Also the camber for fast launch or "start" work well. For our US TD I use a bit more camber on winch launch since time on the line does not count.
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Old Jul 09, 2012, 12:40 PM
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I agree with Tom-when I get my Cluster all messed up trying some super settings, I default to the "factory" set up and it's like putting on an old glove. I use the camber/cruise mode for almost all my flying. I've found that with the camber in and airspeed up, the thing will just drive around the sky with minimal sink. When others fly it, I tell them constantly to speed it up and then they get it.
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Old Jul 09, 2012, 07:34 PM
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I've found that with the camber in and airspeed up, the thing will just drive around the sky with minimal sink. When others fly it, I tell them constantly to speed it up and then they get it.
Same experince made here:
Tragi / Cluster in lightest wind condition (3 min 22 sec)


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Old Aug 31, 2012, 02:44 PM
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My Tragi had maiden today. It`s a really cool glider.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 02:48 PM
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I saw the Brits using tragis with a modified rudder (20m larger) and a custom elevator stab in South Africa - Interesting. I really wanted a go at one but the conditions were too hairy to even consider it.

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Old Sep 03, 2012, 01:40 AM
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I flyed first competition with cluster at saturday,really nice goed in strong turbulance wind.I was only pilot who managed 2X15minutes in flyoff.
My experience wersus my older planes is that goes to wind better than perfect/ET.
Also surpriced about floating last week,really good penetrating.my friend flyed my old ET against cluster:-) Now i need many of new models,only one cluster in my hangar...really hard to desision what to buy,more clusters or something else?
Really nice new designs at market right now.
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Old Sep 07, 2012, 02:16 PM
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Tragi in Damüls (1 min 16 sec)
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Old Sep 08, 2012, 02:50 PM
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I flyed first competition with cluster at saturday,really nice goed in strong turbulance wind.I was only pilot who managed 2X15minutes in flyoff.
My experience wersus my older planes is that goes to wind better than perfect/ET.
Also surpriced about floating last week,really good penetrating.my friend flyed my old ET against cluster:-) Now i need many of new models,only one cluster in my hangar...really hard to desision what to buy,more clusters or something else?
Really nice new designs at market right now.
Hi Janne and all other.
I'm very curious about Tragis Cluster. You seem a little hesitant about the model, right, or?
I have some decisions anguish myself, Egida or Cluster? A worldly problems may seem, but still ... Would be fun to get to know more about the Cluster of them flying actively in competitions.
Will only fly F5J, and I understand you can get both models as electricity gliders. Somehow I get the feeling that the cluster is more robust, maybe just a feeling?
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Old Sep 08, 2012, 03:33 PM
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They are almost totally different designs. The only commonalities are good quality and penetration at low weights.

I must say Cluster looks quite good.
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Old Sep 08, 2012, 03:55 PM
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Cluster possibly more versatile and a better allrounder as a Egida ?

Pike Perfect 3.5m C 68 is pretty similar in flight .
TRAGI SDR (2 min 18 sec)

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Old Sep 09, 2012, 03:51 AM
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Hi! I had perfects from year 2006 to this autumn, and after this summer had cluster, i cant say that they are similar,cluster goes to wind without ballast when perfect needs 200g.and perfect would need 300g,cluster doenst still not need ballast:-) Also easier to travel long distances.
For liukku, I think lithuanians had maded biggest success of cluster,Richardas Siumbris has been many last WC/EC in flyoff with cluster.
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Old Sep 09, 2012, 10:34 AM
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Hi! I had perfects from year 2006 to this autumn, and after this summer had cluster, i cant say that they are similar,cluster goes to wind without ballast when perfect needs 200g.and perfect would need 300g,cluster doenst still not need ballast:-)
Maybe your GC was wrong on the PP?
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Old Sep 09, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Maybe your GC was wrong on the PP?
How would CG affect on ballast needed?
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