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Old Feb 02, 2010, 11:29 AM
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Bill Seeks to Make Permits and Background Checks Optional

PHOENIX — The Associated Press is reporting that the Arizona legislature is seeking to make Arizona the third state where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Bills in the House and the Senate would also eliminate background checks and training classes for people to carry hidden guns.

“All we’re doing is handcuffing good people, restricting their constitutional, God-given right to carry and perhaps their ability to defend their families,” said State Senator Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican sponsoring the bill.

The bill comes a year after Arizona eased restrictions on gun owners, most notably giving people the option of carrying a weapon into a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol unless the establishment has banned firearms.

It also comes amid a national trend of states loosening gun laws. In 2009, states passed 47 laws easing restrictions, more than three times the number of new laws tightening them. Forty-eight states allow people to carry a concealed weapon; all but Alaska and Vermont require a permit.

In Arizona, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a misdemeanor. Mr. Pearce’s bill, and an identical one in the House, would make the permit and background check optional. It also would eliminate a required firearms safety class for permit seekers.


http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------Yippee cai-YEAH! No controls. Is this the only alternative to "theyre trying to take all our guns"?
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:05 PM
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Yes.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:22 PM
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Important part of the story "handcuffing good people". You see the bad guys already are carrying, many doubly illegally, because they are felons.

The next step would be passage of the bill requiring reciprocation between states for CCW. That way I can freely travel throughout this great country without worrying about my right to keep and bear arms being infringed by restrictive state laws.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:23 PM
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As long as the penalties for criminals found to be carrying a concealed weapon are severe and strictly enforced I would support such a bill.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:24 PM
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Sounds like a way to keep the population down I guess...............
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:25 PM
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That is TOTALLY out of control.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:26 PM
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I wonder if atheists have any God given rights? And do you need to believe in God to cc?
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:26 PM
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:27 PM
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I wonder if atheists have any God given rights? And do you need to believe in God to cc?
Atheists may not believe in God, but he believes in them. So they got the rights too.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:46 PM
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Important part of the story "handcuffing good people". You see the bad guys already are carrying, many doubly illegally, because they are felons.

The next step would be passage of the bill requiring reciprocation between states for CCW. That way I can freely travel throughout this great country without worrying about my right to keep and bear arms being infringed by restrictive state laws.
That nationalizes the CCW/registration though. To me, this is not a step in the right direction.
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That is TOTALLY out of control.
What part is "totally out of control?"
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:49 PM
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PHOENIX — The Associated Press is reporting that the Arizona legislature is seeking to make Arizona the third state where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Bills in the House and the Senate would also eliminate background checks and training classes for people to carry hidden guns.

“All we’re doing is handcuffing good people, restricting their constitutional, God-given right to carry and perhaps their ability to defend their families,” said State Senator Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican sponsoring the bill.

The bill comes a year after Arizona eased restrictions on gun owners, most notably giving people the option of carrying a weapon into a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol unless the establishment has banned firearms.

It also comes amid a national trend of states loosening gun laws. In 2009, states passed 47 laws easing restrictions, more than three times the number of new laws tightening them. Forty-eight states allow people to carry a concealed weapon; all but Alaska and Vermont require a permit.

In Arizona, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a misdemeanor. Mr. Pearce’s bill, and an identical one in the House, would make the permit and background check optional. It also would eliminate a required firearms safety class for permit seekers.


http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------Yippee cai-YEAH! No controls. Is this the only alternative to "theyre trying to take all our guns"?
While this may not be the only 'alternative' as you put it, it is a valid viewpoint. It is also one that works for other states.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:57 PM
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Does it make you feel better that you must control those who will do you no harm with that weapon their carrying? And Knowing the guy that WILL KILL you doesn't care whether he has a permit or is breaking the law?
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I wonder if atheists have any God given rights? And do you need to believe in God to cc?
Some of the framers of the Constitution were borderline atheists but still believed in the concept of God Given (or inherent) Rights as opposed to those being granted by man.
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Some of the framers of the Constitution were borderline atheists but still believed in the concept of God Given (or inherent) Rights as opposed to those being granted by man.

ONLY so far as using it as a literary device. Goat, for instance does violence to the concept, by making you own the rights, even before it is legal to exercise them.
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