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Old Aug 31, 2012, 03:51 PM
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I think that criticism has some valid points. I seriously doubt that today's NASA could put a man on the moon using 1969 technology. They simply don't have the skill sets. We put a man on the moon using mostly slide rules for computation, but made up for it with experience.

Under Apollo, the project engineers were expected to understand a lot of the project that they managed. Today that's not nearly as true. That's why JPL and others, are contracted to do it all, under NASA "supervision". Perkin Elmer and the Space Telescope debacle is a prime example.

In 1969, cost was almost no object. In today's NASA, cost would be the primary driver of engineering solutions. IMO, that would kill people.
If NASA was mandated to send someone back to the moon today's engineers would get the job done by adapting Apollo technology where needed, but using today's technology where applicable. Of that I have little doubt. If they can put robotic vehicles on Mars they can put someone back on the moon.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 04:23 PM
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If NASA was mandated to send someone back to the moon today's engineers would get the job done by adapting Apollo technology where needed, but using today's technology where applicable. Of that I have little doubt. If they can put robotic vehicles on Mars they can put someone back on the moon.
Assuming they don't crash into it because someone confused feet and meters.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 04:26 PM
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Such negativism. Must be an American conservative trait.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 04:29 PM
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Such negativism. Must be an American conservative trait.
Merely memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
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The Mars Climate Orbiter (formerly the Mars Surveyor '98 Orbiter) was a 338 kilogram (750 lb) robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998 to study the Martian climate, atmosphere, surface changes and to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor '98 program, for Mars Polar Lander. However, on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was lost as the spacecraft went into orbital insertion, due to ground based computer software which produced output in Imperial units of pound-seconds (lbf-s) instead of the specified metric units of newton-seconds (N-s). The spacecraft encountered Mars at an improperly low altitude, causing it to incorrectly enter the upper atmosphere and disintegrate.[1][2]
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 04:34 PM
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Merely memory.
What makes you think NASA incapable of learning from their mistakes? Especially with lives at stake?
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 06:33 PM
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North American Aviation put those men up there and got them to lunar orbit and back to earth. These were biult in Downey, Ca. 3 miles from my childhood home.

Rocketdyne a div of N.A.A. built the rocket engines that lifted the wole works in to space. Canoga Park, Ca.

Autonetics a div of N.A.A. built the navigation systems. That was done in my fathers shop in Anahiem, Ca. I got many fine souvineers from the project.

Grumman made the lander took them from orbit to the surface and back to orbit. Built in Bethpage, NY

NASA got the space program by MAIL ORDER...

Much like a lot of people get thier R/C planes from China. Minor assembly required.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 06:49 PM
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And Aerojet General made the Lunar lander engine that landed them on the moon. I was involved with it's design.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 06:57 PM
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And Aerojet General made the Lunar lander engine that landed them on the moon. I was involved with it's design.
By todays standard the navigation system is barely more than a calculator, but it was state of the art at the time. Pop was the assistant chief engineer in that shop when the program closed down and the layoffs started... 9.5 years in, 6 more monthes he would have had tenure. When he left there was only the chief engineer left standing.

I loved to tour the facility, that is where I saw the Alvin mini sub among other unique projects, the place was a technical Disneyland back then. It's pretty much all gone now, just a couple buildings left.

What I remember most is pop and a lawyer keeping his rights to his own creations that did not come from that shop.
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Old Sep 01, 2012, 07:36 PM
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^ ^ ^
fellas...this thread is supposed to be about political humor & such.

..maybe have a separate thread for your discussion.?

Thanks.
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Old Sep 01, 2012, 07:51 PM
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^ ^ ^
fellas...this thread is supposed to be about political humor & such.

..maybe have a separate thread for your discussion.?

Thanks.
+1, again. Learn to follow directions.
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Old Sep 01, 2012, 08:24 PM
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Old Sep 01, 2012, 08:28 PM
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Old Sep 01, 2012, 08:33 PM
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Old Sep 01, 2012, 10:41 PM
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+1, again. Learn to follow directions.
As long as that direction is not LEFT.
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