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Old Jan 24, 2010, 01:03 AM
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Gearboxes for 7mm pager motors

I am looking at geared 7mm pager motors with a lot of
thrust and power.
My choices seem to be (both with 1.7 ohm blue/purple motors):

A. GWJ: http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/index.php?productID=625

B. Plantraco's GB07: http://www.microflight.com/Online-Ca...s/GB07-Gearbox

I am wondering:
I. if one can use these in a pusher mode
(I fly in small areas and want to protect the motor and prop)

II. how easy is it to replace a motor on one of these gearboxes?
In particular, where can one get a new pinion gear for the new motor,
or if one uses the old pinion, how does one handle any slippage from using an old pinion (thread locker?).

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I am also looking for general comments on these 2 gearboxes.
As far as I know: both are ~4g for motor and gearbox

A. the GWJ: has ball bearings, a plastic pinion, a 4:1 gear ratio,
a prop adaptor, a 1.5mm prop shaft (stronger, can handle more prop adaptors for GWS props),
is more expensive (US$27)

B. the GB07: probably does not have ball bearings, looks like a metal pinion,
a 5:1 gear ratio, no prop adaptor, a 1.0 mm prop shaft (lighter, fewer prop adaptors for GWS props available),
is less expensive (12.99 US$?, CA$?)

Thanks.
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Old Jan 24, 2010, 02:00 AM
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What about using a Snap & Fly 7mm motor with one of those gear boxes? It seems to be a pretty "hot" motor.
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Old Jan 24, 2010, 08:39 AM
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There's also this one, at U$$ 8. I've been meaning to order one to try for some time, but I've been busy with other projects to add more to the stuff-to-be-used-someday box to collect dust.
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Old Jan 24, 2010, 09:01 AM
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I've been meaning to order a couple to play with too. But every time they were in stock the other stuff I wantesd wasn't. So I backordered em anyway.

Don'ty know how accurate those thrust figures would be tho.
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Old Jan 24, 2010, 03:06 PM
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I've been meaning to order a couple to play with too. But every time they were in stock the other stuff I wantesd wasn't. So I backordered em anyway.

Don'ty know how accurate those thrust figures would be tho.
bill
I have the above mentioned $8 gearboxes. The ones I have run smoothly. I can't measure the thrust but this might help. The gearbox ratio is 4:1 and the motor resistance is 1.4ohms. If you look at Gordon Johnson's motor tests (http://home.comcast.net/~gordon-johnson/ss7mm.htm last table) you see he tested the 4:1 BSD gearbox with a 5030 prop and the blue SS motor (~1.6ohm) and got about 29.2g of thrust at 3.5V. Their test shows 31g at 3.3V with a hotter wound motor. Unless I missed something those figures may be fairly accurate.

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Old Jan 25, 2010, 02:33 AM
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To Brent Slensker: thanks for the pointer to the Snap & Fly 7mm motor.
They may be "hot", but I do not know if they will fit in a gearbox
(which I would need to generate more thrust).
I also would need to buy one to test it, as I have no data on it
(for the others, I can use the Gordon Johnson url mentioned below for
data).

To AleG: thanks for the pointer. I should have realized that Hobby King would have a version.

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I have the above mentioned $8 gearboxes. The ones I have run smoothly. I can't measure the thrust but this might help. The gearbox ratio is 4:1 and the motor resistance is 1.4ohms. If you look at Gordon Johnson's motor tests (http://home.comcast.net/~gordon-johnson/ss7mm.htm last table) you see he tested the 4:1 BSD gearbox with a 5030 prop and the blue SS motor (~1.6ohm) and got about 29.2g of thrust at 3.5V. Their test shows 31g at 3.3V with a hotter wound motor. Unless I missed something those figures may be fairly accurate.

Daniel.
Two complications that may make those figures less accurate for the $8 gearbox:
A. The BSD gearbox has ball bearings, but I am not sure if the $8 gearbox does or not (my guess is not as ball bearings are often the most expensive part of a gearbox, at least with GWS gearboxes).

B. One of the 2 reviews in http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s...Gearbox_GPS-7#

mentions:
"Certified Buyer Rated 3 crowns 1/24/2010
cbrian4 |

Does not produce the specified thrust, on a gws 4530 prop at max throttle only produces 20 grams."

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Anybody have experience swapping motors with such gearboxes
or using such gearboxes in pusher mode?
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To Brent Slensker: thanks for the pointer to the Snap & Fly 7mm motor.
They may be "hot", but I do not know if they will fit in a gearbox
(which I would need to generate more thrust).
I also would need to buy one to test it, as I have no data on it
(for the others, I can use the Gordon Johnson url mentioned below for
data).

To AleG: thanks for the pointer. I should have realized that Hobby King would have a version.


Two complications that may make those figures less accurate for the $8 gearbox:
A. The BSD gearbox has ball bearings, but I am not sure if the $8 gearbox does or not (my guess is not as ball bearings are often the most expensive part of a gearbox, at least with GWS gearboxes).

B. One of the 2 reviews in http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s...Gearbox_GPS-7#

mentions:
"Certified Buyer Rated 3 crowns 1/24/2010
cbrian4 |

Does not produce the specified thrust, on a gws 4530 prop at max throttle only produces 20 grams."

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Anybody have experience swapping motors with such gearboxes
or using such gearboxes in pusher mode?
The $8 gearbox does have ball bearings. As for the thrust I was just trying to make a educated guess. I would image if you swap the motor for a SS it should perform closer to the BSD gearbox. Of course you then have to add the additional cost of the motor to it. I have mine in a parkzone cessna with a blue SS motor, I think a 4030 prop (I will check it later and edit to correct). I can cruise around at about 60-70% throttle once the battery has been discharged some. It can also loop. As for pusher mode I don't really know.

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Old Jan 25, 2010, 12:26 PM
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The $8 gearbox does have ball bearings. ...
Good to know.

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... As for the thrust I was just trying to make a educated guess. ...
Understood.
As might be evident from my replies, I have been making my own share
of guessing.

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... I would image if you swap the motor for a SS it should perform closer to the BSD gearbox. ...
My guess is that both use the same type of inexpensive pager motors
and that the differences are mainly in the gearboxes.

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Old Jan 26, 2010, 03:57 PM
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A note on that 7mm brushed gearbox from Hobby King:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s..._Gearbox_GPS-7

It turns out that this system is discussed in this thread:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=996615

Post #22 of this thread mentions that the prop shaft is really soft.
This thread also talks about the CO3 gearbox for a brushless motor.
From the pictures, the CO3 gearbox itself and the gearbox for the 7mm motor by itself look
pretty similar (and post #26 mentions that the C03 gearbox will fit a 7mm motor).
The CO3 gearbox itself appears to have a soft prop shaft and other
prop shaft issues.
Some of these are discussed in the Hobby King entry for a combination with CO3
(under BOTH "Discussion" and "Reviews"):
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...Product=10003#

This thread talks about replacing the CO3 prop shaft with a stronger shaft:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1103751
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