Originally Posted by NipponDave

Yes... and if we don't start selling more of our motors with our planes, we may have to give up on model production entirely, since they are a net loser for us. For the life of me I can't understand why someone wants to go buy an alternative that costs the same (or more, or even less) given the performance and quality of the suggested Zs3007. For those with a motor in hand, sure, but when buying new?

But everyone has the right to do as they see fit and according to their costs/benefits. That includes me, and slimming down the line is starting to look better every day. More time to play with the kids and dog, yeah!

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Hi Dave...

Sorry for quoting your post twice, but as noted, I think a lot of the reason folks are not using your motors, servos, and ESCs, is that they are just not sold in most local hobby shops. As you know, I live in San Jose, CA. and of the three hobby shops in San Jose, Sheldons Hobbies, had one small motor, California Hobbies has none, and Aeromicro had none that I saw in the motor case when I was there today. I know he does usually carry the Zs4025-16 for your Samson as that is the motor it is designed for, and he has sold about 10 of the Samsons.

I know none of them carry the servos or ESCs. I think, that you need to start talking either to the shops, if Hyperion does it's own distribution, or to your distributors. The gentleman I talked to at Sheldons, told me... "If Hyperion wants us to sell their products, they need to talk to us, as we have many other products already."

As for myself, I try to buy from my local hobby shops when ever possible. Would I use your servos, motors and ESCs....probably if they were locally available, but (and I am not saying there are any problems with your products), for an example, If I was building a plane, and using your servos, and it turned out a servo was bad (and it can happen with any brand), If I can't go back to my local hobby shop to get another one, I am stuck, and can't work on my plane until I can get another one. With a brand that is more readily available, I can do this.

It would be a sad day if you stopped producing your kits, as I think they are very nice planes. I don't own a lot of them, but the ones I have had, I really like(d)

And...last but not least, and I am sorry to post this online, but as you have settings set so that I can't send you a PM, where can I get a new fan for my Hyperion Duo?? I have one that is making a lot of noise, and don't want to damage the charger by allowing it to overheat.

SteveT

Yes... and if we don't start selling more of our motors with our planes, we may have to give up on model production entirely, since they are a net loser for us. For the life of me I can't understand why someone wants to go buy an alternative that costs the same (or more, or even less) given the performance and quality of the suggested Zs3007. For those with a motor in hand, sure, but when buying new?

But everyone has the right to do as they see fit and according to their costs/benefits. That includes me, and slimming down the line is starting to look better every day. More time to play with the kids and dog, yeah!.

It seems Hyperion has the same problem here in Europe as in the US (see post of Draknkep). I really like Hyperion motors, I own 3 and 1 of them has 400 flight and keep working perfectly. But the problem is that it becomes increasingly difficult to find motors / replacement parts here (in Switzerland).
If you had to order a shaft in another country and pay 20$ shipping and 40$ custom for a 5$ shaft it's not a bargain !
I don't understand why the local dealers stop working with Hyperion but here is your main problem, not the price or quality.
(for example, my local dealer www.eflight.ch had the a lot of Hyperion motors and replacement parts in stock a year before, but they have now only some small motors left and I think they will quit selling them)

i maidened the sniper x2 today and what a joy to fly. i found the motor at all erc and bought an extra 330 just to get the 3007-b24. i sold the airplane to another guy at my field and all is well... now i ordered the sniper2 also with the reccomended motor just came in stock this week. i do have a question about props. i used a 11x4.7 and the motor on climb out went out of time. i need to either reprogram the esc or change props the hyperion website datasheet says it needs a 10x5 e or a 10x 4.7 can someone maybe maiden crash or another experienced sniper x2 owner help me. thanks

I'm using a Scorpion 3008-1040 and a 10X6 prop. The ship will go vertical for as long as I want just fine with only 28 watts of power. I had problems with my 40 amp ESC so I stuck a cheap Parkzone 30 amp ESC on it and it's doing just fine.

Originally Posted by fmw

I'm using a Scorpion 3008-1040 and a 10X6 prop. The ship will go vertical for as long as I want just fine with only 28 watts of power. I had problems with my 40 amp ESC so I stuck a cheap Parkzone 30 amp ESC on it and it's doing just fine.

mine goes vertical also but i punched it with 3007b-24 and it went out of time for a second i backed throttle down and then it was ok. i had a 11x 4.7 sf prop on motor. thanks steve

Originally Posted by srowe

mine goes vertical also but i punched it with 3007b-24 and it went out of time for a second i backed throttle down and then it was ok. i had a 11x 4.7 sf prop on motor. thanks steve

Also note I meant 28 amps not 28 watts. More like 280 watts so the plane is pretty well powered. Mine weights about 1.8 lbs so she scoots a long pretty well on the 10X6.

Originally Posted by srowe

i maidened the sniper x2 today and what a joy to fly. i found the motor at all erc and bought an extra 330 just to get the 3007-b24. i sold the airplane to another guy at my field and all is well... now i ordered the sniper2 also with the reccomended motor just came in stock this week. i do have a question about props. i used a 11x4.7 and the motor on climb out went out of time. i need to either reprogram the esc or change props the hyperion website datasheet says it needs a 10x5 e or a 10x 4.7 can someone maybe maiden crash or another experienced sniper x2 owner help me. thanks

Hi Srowe, first, congrats on the successful maiden!

In terms of props, I use the APC 11x5.5 E and APC 10.4.7 SF predominantly. When you punch the throttle from an extreme low to an extreme high very quickly, sometimes a mis-time can occur. This is essentially in-discriminative of any setup, but In my experiences with the Hyperion 35 LBEC ESC and 3007-B, pretty rare. Either way, when you do pull out of hovers or whatever, or are in an extreme low throttle position, a flick of the throttle stick to max can, sometimes, incur a stall in the motor, and if it does, don't panic. Just ease of and smoothly reapply throttle. Also, From experience, once the motor warms up a bit, it becomes essentially impossible to do. Hope you have a lot of fun flying the Sniper!

Originally Posted by srowe

mine goes vertical also but i punched it with 3007b-24 and it went out of time for a second i backed throttle down and then it was ok. i had a 11x 4.7 sf prop on motor. thanks steve

I'd drop down to 10x4.7. Also, you can up the acceleration delay setting in your ESC one notch, if the esc has the setting. But that won't be necessary if you prop down an inch. If you stick with 11x4.7, I would increase the accel delay setting, and just be a little smooth on the throttle for the first bit of the flight. Once the battery takes the top off it's voltage, a stall becomes quite unlikely even with the 11" props.

D

If anyone is interested in the strength of the Ds11 servos... About a week ago, I cartwheeled the Sniper hard from WOT. Remarkably, the gears were so strong, that the nylon servo arm on the right aileron servo, not the gears, broke. These are the Carbon-polymer gears. Today, I performed a KE loop that unfortunately, went a little too low. This was a shocker of a crash, I expected the rudder servo to be kaput. Again, the gears came out unscathed, they were so strong that the shock of the crash could only result in a snapped servo arm. The rudder servo was metal geared. These servos are astounding, the durability is second to none.

Originally Posted by maiden-crash

Hi Srowe, first, congrats on the successful maiden!

In terms of props, I use the APC 11x5.5 E and APC 10.4.7 SF predominantly. When you punch the throttle from an extreme low to an extreme high very quickly, sometimes a mis-time can occur. This is essentially in-discriminative of any setup, but In my experiences with the Hyperion 35 LBEC ESC and 3007-B, pretty rare. Either way, when you do pull out of hovers or whatever, or are in an extreme low throttle position, a flick of the throttle stick to max can, sometimes, incur a stall in the motor, and if it does, don't panic. Just ease of and smoothly reapply throttle. Also, From experience, once the motor warms up a bit, it becomes essentially impossible to do. Hope you have a lot of fun flying the Sniper!

thanks for the help in this matter. this plane is awesome. i will use a 10x4.7 sf today and see how it goes

Originally Posted by NipponDave

I'd drop down to 10x4.7. Also, you can up the acceleration delay setting in your ESC one notch, if the esc has the setting. But that won't be necessary if you prop down an inch. If you stick with 11x4.7, I would increase the accel delay setting, and just be a little smooth on the throttle for the first bit of the flight. Once the battery takes the top off it's voltage, a stall becomes quite unlikely even with the 11" props.

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i decided to use the ds 11 amd hyperion servos all the way around and i have never had better centering on small servos ever. thanks to you and maiden crash for the prop help info.

i love this plane so much i ordered the sniper 2 for a second funfly 3der. i went with the recomended complete setup hyperion recommends except i went with ds09 amd all the way around. man i love these little digitals. cant wait to fly today. snipers are wonderful..... 3 other guys in my club saw my maiden and were ordering one each as i left the field.

there is no better equiptment than the hyperion motor , esc and servos. i recommend to anyone buy the setup as hyperion puts in the datasheet and you will never be sorry. i cant believe how well they work. oh well off to the flying field. see you in the sky

Originally Posted by srowe

mine goes vertical also but i punched it with 3007b-24 and it went out of time for a second i backed throttle down and then it was ok. i had a 11x 4.7 sf prop on motor. thanks steve

It's certainly not a Hyperion only phenomenon. It's really more like an outrunner thing. High pole count outrunners are the worst especially high KV / high magnetic pole count motors.

I've had it happen with Castle, Scorpion, Schulze, and Kontronics ESCs with a variety of outrunner motors.

I've got some 4 pole Neu and 2 pole Hacker inrunners and I can't remember it ever happening with them.

One little 14 pole custom wind motor I have will do it about every other time so I trim the throttle to keep the prop just barely turning and it solves that problem.

just got back form the flying field and the 10x4.7 prop works like magic. will pull out of over and go as high as you want and motor doesnt go out of time. got 6 flights in before the boy scouts took over the field for rockets. always tomorrow but i love this airplane