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Old Jan 20, 2010, 03:03 PM
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The End Of The Obama Healthcare Plan

Well it looks like it's all over for the most part. This bill is pretty much going to be scrapped. I would guess something much more partisan will be put in it's place. The democrats will be ready to come to the table and actually negotiate. At this point they need to have something, anything pass before the next election and they can claim some kind of success on healthcare.

Obama, Reid and other top democrats came out and said there would be no movement on the plan until after Brown is sat. They know if they tried to push this through before then the backlash would be HUGE. I think they finally got the point that the majority of Americans are against what they have brought to the table. This basically signifies the end of the horrible health bill that has been in play.

This is great stuff.
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 03:08 PM
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Don't count it out. Keep the pressure on. it's not dead until it's dead. It needs a stake though it's heart, and then to be hung around the neck of every single member who ever voted for it.
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 04:15 PM
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Why do they need to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to health care in the first place ? Wouldnt eliminating the fraud in the system we have now pay off more in the long run ? Everyones heard the storys of $200 asprins and $5000 MRIs - why not go after whoever is pocketing all this money for grossly overinflated services and leave the system otherwise alone ?
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 04:17 PM
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Why do they need to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to health care in the first place ? Wouldnt eliminating the fraud in the system we have now pay off more in the long run ? Everyones heard the storys of $200 asprins and $5000 MRIs - why not go after whoever is pocketing all this money for grossly overinflated services and leave the system otherwise alone ?
I agree, we should go after the lawyers.
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 04:29 PM
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Don't count it out. Keep the pressure on. it's not dead until it's dead. It needs a stake though it's heart, and then to be hung around the neck of every single member who ever voted for it.
My biggest fear is that people will get complacent thinking that "we've won", when the fight is just starting and will get even tougher if Conservatives get lazy. So much work to do...

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Why do they need to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to health care in the first place ? Wouldnt eliminating the fraud in the system we have now pay off more in the long run ? Everyones heard the storys of $200 asprins and $5000 MRIs - why not go after whoever is pocketing all this money for grossly overinflated services and leave the system otherwise alone ?
Yes, there is fraud, but that can be easily handled the moment politicians decide that they want to stop it. For so many reasons, I always wonder if they really want to stop it because doing so might affect their next election chances... if you know what I mean.
As far as healthcare itself, all I want to see is for them to get into just the three main problems that exist today:
1. Portability so that people changing from one insurance company to another aren't penalized for pre-existing conditions.
2. Tort Reform... big time.
3. Allow insurance companies to sell across state lines so that real competition can take place.

That's it. Screw the uninsured because the majority of the uninsured make enough money to buy a new car but don't want to pay for their own health insurance, and those that REALLY need financial assistance in order to buy insurance can easily be given federal subsidies at little cost, but ONLY if they can legitimately prove they are BELOW the poverty level (not three times above it as it's now written).
Lastly on the "uninsured" problem, let's give doctors tax breaks for time that they volunteer to work at free clinics. Problem solved.
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 05:48 PM
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My biggest fear is that people will get complacent thinking that "we've won", when the fight is just starting and will get even tougher if Conservatives get lazy. So much work to do...
I'm looking forward to a Spring, Summer and Fall full of tea parties to remind everyone that we're as mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 10:23 PM
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Glad kennedy went out like this.... letting something he stood for get shot down through the re-election of his seat. Maybe its karma coming back for that murder.
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Old Jan 20, 2010, 10:25 PM
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Why do they need to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to health care in the first place ? Wouldnt eliminating the fraud in the system we have now pay off more in the long run ? Everyones heard the storys of $200 asprins and $5000 MRIs - why not go after whoever is pocketing all this money for grossly overinflated services and leave the system otherwise alone ?
You have to look at it from the liberal/progressive POV...

That will not benefit the minorities at the expense of tax payers. Hence not farming the votes get them by.
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Old Jan 21, 2010, 11:18 AM
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I'm looking forward to a Spring, Summer and Fall full of tea parties to remind everyone that we're as mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!
Me too I hope they become a very common place event and have to be reckoned with by the likes of OBamba and Nancy Pants to just communicate.
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