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Old Jan 16, 2010, 11:35 AM
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This is a link to the waste oil burner i'm in the process of putting together, it may be of interest.


http://www.murphysmachines.com/waste_oil_heater.html



I found the US plans to make one from an old steel HW tank, but nothing
for reusing old 12Kg gas bottles - which was what I was planning to
have a go at - have you a URL?

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Old Jan 16, 2010, 12:19 PM
Russell
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

Harry Bloomfield wrote:



>
> Are UK garages likely to give the old oil away, like in the US?
>
>

I'd be surprised if they did - they're probably committing an offence if
they give it to anyone other than a registered waste carrier.

Russell
Old Jan 16, 2010, 12:50 PM
Dirk
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

Na rijp beraad schreef alspeed :

> This is a link to the waste oil burner i'm in the process of putting
> together, it may be of interest.
>
>
> http://www.murphysmachines.com/waste_oil_heater.html
>
>
>
> I found the US plans to make one from an old steel HW tank, but nothing
>
> for reusing old 12Kg gas bottles - which was what I was planning to
> have a go at - have you a URL?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Harry (M1BYT) (L)
> http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


No url, sorry, used some data of Sanders'MEN(ew) heater, rest was
dictated by the bottles.
Dirk
Old Jan 16, 2010, 05:05 PM
Peter Neill
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:19:45 GMT, Russell <russell@123456.com> wrote:


>Harry Bloomfield wrote:
>
>

>>
>> Are UK garages likely to give the old oil away, like in the US?
>>
>>

>I'd be surprised if they did - they're probably committing an offence if
>they give it to anyone other than a registered waste carrier.
>
>Russell


My local garage gives you as much as you want.
I keep a gallon on hamd for oil blacking, but apparently a lot of the
even-older generation take plenty of it every year for painting their
fences in place of creosote.

peter
Old Jan 17, 2010, 06:30 AM
John S
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

My wood burning stove runs intermittently, when it's cold it goes on
and often stays on but goes out every evening.
The shop is actually uninsulated, brick outer, block inner, no cavity
and a concrete floor, no barrier as the floor was already there.

It's in two sections, the oldest part, an old stable, is 9" brick with
tiled roof, no insulation. The newer part is brick and block with a
sloped felt roof, again no insulation as I was strapped for cash when
I built it and as usual it's one of those jobs that every winter you
are going to do next summer.

God knows how much steel and cast iron there is in here as regards
machines and stock, at least 7 tonnes of steel on the racks.
Total must be over 25 tonnes ?

I never oil any of the machines other than the general run of using
them, they get switched off, lights out and that's it.
I get no rust full stop.

In this weather I'm running the shop at about 20 to 30 degrees and all
the wood is free although some has to be collected from 5 miles away
which I usually do over a weekend and fetch a full van load, this also
runs a stove in the house.

Non use doesn't seem to have any effect although longest time
unattended is usually only a week and maybe any time of the year, Last
Christmas it was shut for 10 day with no heat at all whilst I was in
China, again no rust or weather damage.

John S.
Old Jan 17, 2010, 06:51 AM
Harry Bloomfield
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

Harry Bloomfield formulated on Friday :

> After serious thinking Dirk wrote :

>> Harry Bloomfield schreef op 15-1-2010 :

>>> Dirk submitted this idea :
>>>> Het is zņ dat Harry Bloomfield formuleerde :
>>>>> Dirk explained :
>>>>>> Recently extended the shed, used 70mmm aerated concrete blocks to make
>>>>>> inner walls and floor heating. Now experimenting with Mother Earth's
>>>>>> Waste Oil Heater. Made it from old 12 kg propane bottles. Google for
>>>>>> the plans. Works fine with wood and lamp oil, but not - yet - on
>>>>>> discarded frying oil as planned. It does not seem to get hot enough to
>>>>>> ignite.
>>>>>> Best regards, Dirk
>>>>>
>>>>> I found the US plans to make one from an old steel HW tank, but nothing
>>>>> for reusing old 12Kg gas bottles - which was what I was planning to have
>>>>> a go at - have you a URL?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Harry, correct. I used whatever was at hand, so bottles. Mine looks
>>>> much like Roger Sanders' heater, type MEN(ew). The original is the ME
>>>> type. MEN is linked on that page, also some forced-air ones.
>>>
>>> What did you do, weld one 12kg on top of another? You can get much larger
>>> (taller) red propane bottles. I was thinking of a single 12kg bottle, I
>>> just need a small heater to take the chill off.
>>>
>>> Are UK garages likely to give the old oil away, like in the US?

>>
>> Yes Harry, I cut off both tops to get rid of the valve sections. Did not
>> weld them together yet to get inside for changes, etc. Made a flew and an
>> intake of 100mm both. Contacted Roger Sanders to get data on diameters,
>> relations. I assumed a ratio between flew/intake and circomference of
>> container. Roger says they seem more or less absulute. I am located in the
>> Netherlands. Best regards, Dirk

>
> Thanks..


Here are a few URL's I have come across...

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/sho...41&postcount=6

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/s...ead.php?t=7807

http://www.jarkman.co.uk/catalog/furnitur/jhrstove.htm

http://www.ludlowsurvivors.com/stove.html

http://www.bikerlifestyle.co.uk/tech...op/heater.html

and the only one I could find with regards to the burning of waste
oil...

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...earth/me4.html

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Harry (M1BYT) (L)
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Old Jan 17, 2010, 07:36 AM
Steve
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

"Donwill" <Donwill.seesig@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7r5mo4Fb4pU1@mid.individual.net...

> It's far too cold to go and play with my newly aquired mill in the wksp,
> I've started insulating it but heat is required to create a decent
> environment.
> To minimise the risk of condensation on machines the temperature should be
> kept reasonably constant but that's expensive if you heat to a comfortable
> working temperature. What do experienced wksp engineers do? and what type
> of heating do you reccomend?
> Don


I don't - below zero I don't bother, above that I get loads of layers on,
then remove then as the temp rises...

I have a humidier sized for a three bedroom house - but its useless at the
temperatures you need it to work at and consumes huge electricity

One trick I learned years ago was to put down carpet in the places where you
typically spend time standing (eg lathe and mill), it's warmer on your
feet, and makes the standing easier too.
Old Jan 17, 2010, 11:27 AM
Harry Bloomfield
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

Just a bit of a warning with regards to these gas bottles, not the
safety but the pong....

Gas has almost no smell, so for safety in case of leaks the
manufacturers add a strong smell to the gas. I have just been cutting
the openings in bottle inside my workshop/garage. The smell gets ever
where and really lingers. One it gets in your nose it sticks for many
hours. The only way to get rid of it from the bottle, is to burn it
out. Do the cutting outside, at least to the point where you can light
a fire inside to burn it out. Don't leave the opened bottle indoors, at
least until the smell has been burned out.

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Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
Old Jan 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
David Billington
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

> Just a bit of a warning with regards to these gas bottles, not the
> safety but the pong....
>
> Gas has almost no smell, so for safety in case of leaks the
> manufacturers add a strong smell to the gas. I have just been cutting
> the openings in bottle inside my workshop/garage. The smell gets ever
> where and really lingers. One it gets in your nose it sticks for many
> hours. The only way to get rid of it from the bottle, is to burn it
> out. Do the cutting outside, at least to the point where you can light
> a fire inside to burn it out. Don't leave the opened bottle indoors,
> at least until the smell has been burned out.
>

No need to burn it out. I haven't tried it but it has been mentioned on
rec.crafts.metalworking numerous times to put a bleach solution IIRC in
the bottle and leave it to stand for a week or so. I expect a post
there or a brief search would turn up the specific advice.
Old Jan 22, 2010, 10:34 AM
bigegg
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Re: Heating a workshop/garage

Harry Bloomfield wrote:


>
> Here are a few URL's I have come across...

<snip>

>
> and the only one I could find with regards to the burning of waste oil...
>
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...earth/me4.html
>


<http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com>

is THE website (afaik) for waste oil burners.
Check out the forums.


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