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Old Dec 04, 2009, 03:46 PM
GordySoar@aol.com
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Darwin answer the question on CD on site changes to rules!!! Thanks!!!!

In a message dated 12/4/2009 10:08:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ktlkrn@cox.net writes:

I do not know the history of this rule. Most rules are not taken
lightly and go through quite a process to get passed. Another rule
misconception is that the AMA makes the rules. They may cause a rule
based on a safety issue or other commanded mandate (FAA and FCC come
to mind).

Most rules come from the modelers themselves, usually by SIG's. Anyone
can submit a rule or a rule change.

Regarding the one issue being discussed, I suspect it has to do with
the fact, (not that it matters really) that if a model is crashed you
lose 2 contestants instead of one. Not a huge deal but image you are
needing your last Level 5 win. You've got 21 contestants. First round
the dual use model crashes. Now you've only got 19. No Level 5 win.
Borrowing a model is one thing, but both using is another.

Also, as a CD you can submit to change a rule for your contest. Look
at the book for guidelines for this. You can't just make of a rule or
change one because you don't like it and announce it at the contest.

I don't see a problem with changing the dual use model rule, but it
has to be done properly or it would be subject to protest.

Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler, AZ
On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Jim Monaco wrote:


> Page SO4 Column 1 item D.:
> d. Any given primary or alternate model may be entered by only one (1)
> contestant.
>
> Jim Monaco
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rdwoebke [mailto:rdwoebke@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: RCSE
> Subject: [RCSE] What exactly is this 2 for one rule?
>
> I know I'm going to regret posting this, but, what rule is being
> discussed? I looked through the rule book:
>
> http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/e.../RCSoaring.pdf
>
> I can't find any rules that prohibit two pilots sharing a plane at a
> contest. There are rules that state that the CD has to arrange flight
> groups to ensure that there are not frequency conflicts. I'm assuming
> if two pilots are sharing a plane (at least on 72mhz) then by default
> that is a frequency conflict that the CD would have to ensure those
> pilots are not asked to fly at the same time.
>
> I don't see why two pilots could not share a plane at any contest
> unless the contest was sanctioned in a way that required pilots to
> have multiple frequencies available to avoid frequency conflicts
> (required in F3J flyoff rounds).
>
> Ryan
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Old Dec 05, 2009, 07:27 AM
Skye Malcolm
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Re: Darwin answer the question on CD on site changes to rules!!! Thanks!!!!

Hold on - LSF contest requirements state the number of "participants", not
finishers.
I asked and received clarification on this from Jim Deck on this point a
couple months ago.
Just to be clear I'm not referring to "entries" or no-shows.
I'm talking about the number of real people flying real planes in round one
= the number of participants.
Which may not necessarily be the number of people still flying in the final
round.
My question was in reference to Level II or III when I emailed Jim.
Maybe you guys feel Level 5 has unique, higher requirements and I defer to
the wisdom of others on that point.
-Skye - LSF #8070 Level III

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM, <GordySoar@aol.com> wrote:


>
>
> In a message dated 12/4/2009 10:08:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> ktlkrn@cox.net writes:
>
> I do not know the history of this rule. Most rules are not taken
> lightly and go through quite a process to get passed. Another rule
> misconception is that the AMA makes the rules. They may cause a rule
> based on a safety issue or other commanded mandate (FAA and FCC come
> to mind).
>
> Most rules come from the modelers themselves, usually by SIG's. Anyone
> can submit a rule or a rule change.
>
> Regarding the one issue being discussed, I suspect it has to do with
> the fact, (not that it matters really) that if a model is crashed you
> lose 2 contestants instead of one. Not a huge deal but image you are
> needing your last Level 5 win. You've got 21 contestants. First round
> the dual use model crashes. Now you've only got 19. No Level 5 win.
> Borrowing a model is one thing, but both using is another.
>
> *Also, as a CD you can submit to change a rule for your contest. Look
> at the book for guidelines for this. You can't just make of a rule or
> change one because you don't like it and announce it at the contest.
> *
> I don't see a problem with changing the dual use model rule, but it
> has to be done properly or it would be subject to protest.
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler, AZ
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Jim Monaco wrote:
>

> > Page SO4 Column 1 item D.:
> > d. Any given primary or alternate model may be entered by only one (1)
> > contestant.
> >
> > Jim Monaco
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rdwoebke [mailto:rdwoebke@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:37 AM
> > To: RCSE
> > Subject: [RCSE] What exactly is this 2 for one rule?
> >
> > I know I'm going to regret posting this, but, what rule is being
> > discussed? I looked through the rule book:
> >
> > http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/e.../RCSoaring.pdf
> >
> > I can't find any rules that prohibit two pilots sharing a plane at a
> > contest. There are rules that state that the CD has to arrange flight
> > groups to ensure that there are not frequency conflicts. I'm assuming
> > if two pilots are sharing a plane (at least on 72mhz) then by default
> > that is a frequency conflict that the CD would have to ensure those
> > pilots are not asked to fly at the same time.
> >
> > I don't see why two pilots could not share a plane at any contest
> > unless the contest was sanctioned in a way that required pilots to
> > have multiple frequencies available to avoid frequency conflicts
> > (required in F3J flyoff rounds).
> >
> > Ryan
> >
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