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Old Feb 11, 2013, 10:28 PM
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 07:37 PM
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 08:02 PM
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Rules question:

Do the new rules eliminate the "Tactical" leeward mark rounding and only a "Seaman Like" rounding is legal now if your are the inside boat?

I read an explanation someplace but don't remember where.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:43 PM
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Hi Ted,

Great question, and the simple answer is for most situations probably yes.

Remember that you can be entitled to mark room, but not be the ROW boat - in which case you are only allowed room to sail to the mark when your proper course is to sail close to the mark (see the definition of mark room)

Whether you can do a tactical rounding depends upon whether you are also the ROW boat as well as the boat entitled to mark room, and event that may be restricted if you have to gybe as part of the rounding.. - eg R 18.4 often comes into effect. And that also restricts the inside boat to sail to the mark (at least do not sail too far away from it)

If you are clear ahead (no overlap), then you can do a tactical rounding. The obligation to sail to the mark for the inside boat with mark room, kicks in once you become overlapped.

If the leeward mark to be rounded to port and you are the inside boat, on port gybe, an outside stbd boat is ROW but gives you mark room and an outside port gybe boat will be leeward and you are windward so again you are restricted.

At a leeward mark to be rounded to stbd, if you are inside and on stbd, you will be ROW if the other boat is on port - so you can go wide, but after they gybe, then you will become windward and R 11 kicks in - and again you are restricted - but you may already be past the mark by the time they gybe.. If you are inside and on stbd and they are also on stbd then you are windward and again are restricted to go close.

Also note 18.4 does not apply at a gate mark.

So overall, there is not a lot of difference between the old rules and the new ones for a downwind mark - just the subtle change in the wording of the definition of mark room.

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First day Results from San Diego Midwinters

Results -- Partial, First Day Only

Position Skipper Sail # Club/City Hull Score 1 2 3 4 5 6

1 Ian Vickers 40 San Francisco-CA V8 11 2 11 1 6 1 1

2 Tony Gonsalves 51 Bridgetown-BAR Cheinz 13 2 2 2 3 7 4

3 George Pedrick 99 Pt.Richmond-CA Pikanto 15 1 5 6 2 4 3

4 Brig North 11 Dallas-TX britPOP! 18 1 1 5 1 10 17

5 Zach Alyea 46 Las Vegas-NV Topiko 18 3 4 4 5 2 8

6 Dennis Rogers 43 San Diego-CA britPOP! 29 5 6 8 11 3 7

7 Gary Boell 31 Pt.Richmond-CA Cheinz 34 8 15 7 4 9 6

8 Craig Mackey 29 Oceanside-CA V7 37 10 9 9 7 13 2

9 John Ebey 93 San Raphael-CA britPOP! 39 9 10 3 10 8 9

10 Jon Elmaleh 2 Brooklyn-NY IE3 41 7 8 13 8 15 5

11 Roy Langbord 70 New York-NY britPOP! 49 4 3 14 15 22 13

12 Larry Grant 81 Los Angeles-CA Pikanto 50 12 11 12 17 5 10

13 Bill Wright 82 Alameda-CA Pikanto 56 6 17 15 18 6 12

14 Jess Atkinson 56 Alameda-CA Pikanto 58 3 7 10 16 26 22

15 Dick Carver 22 La Habra-CA MadMax 61 4 14 19 12 12 21

16 Kim Robbins 21 La Mesa-CA Stealth 65 7 27 21 9 11 17

17 Stephan Cohen 28 Los Angeles-CA britPOP! 65 11 16 11 13 14 20

18 Glen Murray 109 Danville-CA robot 68 8 19 16 14 16 14

19 Bob Dunlap 37 San Jose-CA Topiko 70 6 12 24 19 18 15

20 Gene Harrison 50 Pt.Richmond-CA Vapour 73 5 13 17 21 19 19

21 Al Finley 174 Brentwood-CA Cockatoo 81 11 21 18 22 20 11

22 Greg Dawe 68 Encinitas-CA Ericca 90 10 20 23 20 17 23

23 Al Charnin 7 Cotati-CA Swift 99 13 22 25 23 23 18

24 Bob Smith 107 Simi Valley-CA Widget 100 9 23 20 24 24 25

25 John Ball 79 Parksville-BC-CAN SKA 101 13 18 26 25 21 24

26 Lon Wahler 80 El Cajon-CA Ericca 109 12 24 22 26 25 26

27 Eric Arndt 13 Fairfax-CA V8 130 14 29 29 29 29 29

27 Mike Eldred 39 Alpine-CA V8 130 14 29 29 29 29 29
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Hi Guys, I don't want to start a debate on rules but I would like to know if anyone has experienced using 3Dmonofilm sails, I understand a few were at the worlds and just like to find out how they went. ?

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Well here Goes...

Buoy Rounding the Thorn in the side of ALL Radio Sailors.

Is there a simple answer... I don't think so..

Zone 4 lengths (2 & 6 for some classes)


How many simple scenarios are there & how many questions come up. How much abuse comes at the lake because there are so many interpretations.. I know some of teh answers but still believe teh questions need to be asked...


In all the examples I see there is always an incomplete use & interpretation of the Rule, Never seems to cover ALL the Markings & Rounding's on the Course & when different Rules apply...

Anybody willing to give it a Go & provide the Information ALL in ONE Place....

So here is my question in many parts...

Where does the Zone commence & the Rule start to apply... ???
Once the Transom of the Outer Boat has crossed the Boundary & entered the Zone
or is it the Bow
Is it the Leading Boat or teh Trailing Boat that determines when teh Ovelap commences..
Scenario 1..
Windward Mark
o Boats on Same Tack.. A & B
o B is Inside Boat & HAS established Overlap.

Scenario 2
Windward Mark
o Boats on Same Tack.. A & B
o B is Inside Boat & HAS NOT established Overlap

Scenario 3
Wing Mark
o Boats on Opposite Tacks.. A & B
o B is Inside Boat & HAS established Overlap.

Scenario 4
Wing Mark
o Boats on Opposite Tacks.. A & B
o B is Inside Boat & HAS NOT established Overlap

Scenario 5
Leeward Mark
o Boats on Same Tack.. A & B
o B is Inside Boat & HAS established Overlap.

Scenario 6
Leeward Mark
o Boats on Same Tack.. A & B
o B is Inside Boat & HAS NOT established Overlap

Scenario 7
Clearing Marks
o Established to ease congestion
Are these considered as ONE Rounding.
When is Overlap Broken?
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 11:08 PM
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I think it would be a good idea to takes these questions and start a new thread on Rules discussions - and keep this discussion for IOMs.

I will be happy to try to answer your questions.

John
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 01:54 PM
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Mark rounding

Seen in yachtworld.com - does this make it more clear - ?
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There has been another thread started for this rules discussion,this thread is for and about IOM's.Ted did you get the second day report i heard from Tony Zac 1st Tony 2nd Ian V 3rd.
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Her ya go, full results from the San Diego Midwinter Regatta

https://sites.google.com/site/iomuse...tas/midwinters

If you don't feel like opening the file:
Zach Aleya....1st Topiko
Tony Gonsalves...2nd Cheinz
Ian Vickers.......3rd V8
George Pedrick.....4th Pikanto
John Ebey......5th Britpop
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Ted,
I read a rumor that your Nats are going to be in SF bay is this true? I may know of a skipper from Aus that may look at coming over for the event
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 08:37 PM
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Ted,
I read a rumor that your Nats are going to be in SF bay is this true? I may know of a skipper from Aus that may look at coming over for the event
Yep, still working on all the details, the NOR will be done in a week or two. I'll let you know.

I hear there is some kind of big sailing event going to happen later in the summer in that area.


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Yep, still working on all the details, the NOR will be done in a week or two. I'll let you know.

I hear there is some kind of big sailing event going to happen later in the summer in that area.


Ted
WOW I wonder what that could be

I also hear that the Nats might be held on pier that has lots of Carbon Fibre floating past
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