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Old Nov 01, 2011, 11:40 AM
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Old Nov 03, 2011, 01:52 PM
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Keeping clear

The RRS definition of keeping clear reads as follows.

One boat keeps clear of another if the other can sail her course with no need to take avoiding action and, when the boats are overlapped on the same tack, if the leeward boat can change course in both directions without immediately making contact with the windward boat.

Bearing in mind the speed that things can happen with an IOM how close would a boat have to be to 'immediately' make contact.
I appreciate that it can vary a bit with differing conditions so lets say in a comfortable but fast No 1 suit breeze with comfortably smooth water.
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Old Nov 04, 2011, 06:58 AM
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There is no simple answer to this, each situation is different. If you want a guideline, then for a windward/leeward, half a boat length may be reasonable.

I suggest that you download (free) the ISAF Casebook.

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documen...%5B9701%5D.pdf

There are a number of cases that discuss keeping clear. See below. In a protest room, these are the cases that the committee might refer to for guidance, based on the facts of the situation under discussion.

John



CASE 30
A boat clear astern that is required to keep clear but collides with the boat clear ahead breaks the right-of-way rule that was applicable before the collision occurred. A boat that loses right of way by unintentionally changing tack is nevertheless required to keep clear.

CASE 50
When a protest committee finds that in a port-starboard incident S did not change course and that there was not a genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision on the part of S, it should dismiss her protest. When the committee finds that S did change course and that there was reasonable doubt that P could have crossed ahead of S if S had not changed course, then P
should be disqualified.

CASE 60
When a right-of-way boat changes course in such a way that a keep-clear boat, despite having taken avoiding action promptly, cannot keep clear in a seamanlike way, the right-of-way boat breaks rule 16.1.

CASE 77
Contact with a mark by a boat’s equipment constitutes touching it. A boat obligated to keep clear does not break a rule when touched by a right-of-way boat’s equipment that moves unexpectedly out of normal position.

CASE 87
A right-of-way boat need not act to avoid contact until it is clear that the other boat is not keeping clear.

CASE 88
A boat may avoid contact and yet fail to keep clear.

CASE 91
A boat required to keep clear must keep clear of another boat’s equipment out of its normal position when the equipment has been out of its normal position long enough for the equipment to have been seen and avoided.

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US Nationals Day two


Position Skipper Sail # Club/City Hull Freq Score 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
32 32 32 32 32 17 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
1 Brad Gibson 70 England BritPop 2.4 14.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 3.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 8.0 1.0 3.0 1.0 2.0
2 Richard Silverman 114 Ft. Lauderdale-FL Lintel 2.4 22.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 17.0 4.0 3.0 15.0 2.0 4.0 2.0 2.0 1.0
3 Tony Gonsalves 51 Barbados Lintel 2.4 47.0 3.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 33.0 6.0 4.0 7.0 5.0 1.0 3.0 16.0
4 Peter Allen 74 Barbados Lintel 2.4 49.0 8.0 3.0 4.0 14.0 8.0 2.0 2.0 12.0 8.0 4.0 4.0 6.0
5 Denis Rogers 43 San Diego-CA BritPop 2.4 51.0 2.0 4.0 5.0 9.0 3.0 4.0 3.0 11.0 3.0 7.0 18.0 13.0
6 Zach Aleya 46 Las Vegas-NV Topiko 2.4 60.0 2.0 7.0 14.0 5.0 6.0 8.0 9.0 1.0 7.0 9.0 6.0 17.0
7 Craig Mackey 29 Oceanside-CA Lintel 79 64.0 7.0 15.0 9.0 8.0 20.0 14.0 5.0 4.0 2.0 5.0 7.0 3.0
8 Peter Huttemeier 214 New York-NY Cheinz 2.4 84.0 9.0 9.0 3.0 16.0 2.0 7.0 13.0 15.0 27.0 6.0 15.0 5.0
9 Bob Flack 96 Detroit-MI Temptation 2.4 86.0 4.0 16.0 7.0 10.0 12.0 13.0 20.0 3.0 6.0 20.0 5.0 10.0
10 Peter Van Rossen 66 Kingston-CAN Topiko 2.4 87.0 5.0 8.0 12.0 1.0 14.0 5.0 7.0 16.0 13.0 15.0 21.0 7.0
11 John Elmaleh 102 New York-NY IE 2 2.4 98.0 5.0 10.0 8.0 18.0 20.0 12.0 12.0 10.0 9.0 13.0 10.0 9.0
12 Dan Maingot 90 Barbados Lintel 2.4 104.0 11.0 13.0 10.0 4.0 9.0 15.0 17.0 6.0 17.0 30.0 8.0 11.0
13 Mike French 10 Ft. Lauderdale-FL Pikanto 2.4 117.0 7.0 14.0 23.0 12.0 11.0 17.0 21.0 9.0 18.0 11.0 14.0 4.0
14 Ted Flack 45 Detroit-MI Temptation 2.4 121.0 6.0 12.0 17.0 13.0 5.0 9.0 18.0 28.0 12.0 12.0 17.0 27.0
15 Stan Wallace 39 Bahamas Cockatoo 2.4 124.0 8.0 27.0 16.0 15.0 15.0 10.0 6.0 5.0 14.0 14.0 25.0 21.0
16 Jeff Weiss 30 Costa Mesa-CA Widget 2.4 133.0 12.0 23.0 15.0 22.0 22.0 21.0 11.0 14.0 10.0 8.0 12.0 8.0
17 George Pedrick 199 Pt.Richmond-CA Pikanto 2.4 134.0 13.0 19.0 22.0 2.0 13.0 19.0 16.0 22.0 19.0 10.0 11.0 12.0
18 Stephan Cohen 28 Los Angeles-CA Pikanto 2.4 139.0 3.0 5.0 20.0 24.0 7.0 16.0 10.0 18.0 22.0 22.0 19.0 19.0
19 Roy Langboard 170 New York-NY Confusion 2.4 164.0 6.0 11.0 13.0 7.0 17.0 24.0 29.0 20.0 26.0 17.0 27.0 23.0
20 Hew Hamilton 165 New Orleans-LA Lintel 2.4 174.0 14.0 22.0 21.0 31.0 21.0 11.0 14.0 32.0 23.0 21.0 9.0 18.0
21 Al Ross 714 New Orleans-LA Lintel 2.4 175.0 11.0 18.0 11.0 11.0 16.0 20.0 33.0 26.0 24.0 24.0 26.0 14.0
22 Doc Hoyos 14 Barbados Cockatoo 2.4 189.0 14.0 24.0 18.0 28.0 25.0 22.0 30.0 13.0 15.0 18.0 16.0 24.0
23 Ray Dagenais 99 Detroit-MI Cockatoo 2.4 196.0 10.0 21.0 31.0 20.0 10.0 18.0 20.0 24.0 21.0 32.0 30.0 22.0
24 Peter Knox 02 Trinedad & Tobago Cockatoo 2.4 197.0 12.0 20.0 26.0 25.0 23.0 23.0 25.0 29.0 16.0 25.0 13.0 15.0
25 Garry Boell 31 San Francisco-CA Pikanto 2.4 200.8 15.0 32.0 20.0 23.0 28.0 25.8 23.0 27.0 11.0 16.0 20.0 20.0
26 John Taylor 65 England Sofar 2.4 212.0 10.0 31.0 25.0 19.0 30.0 33.0 8.0 17.0 28.0 26.0 23.0 26.0
27 Howard Rieman 71 Ft. Lauderdale-FL Vapour 2.4 223.0 4.0 17.0 27.0 21.0 24.0 28.0 28.0 33.0 25.0 27.0 22.0 28.0
28 Joe D'amico 180 Washington V-6 2.4 239.0 16.0 28.0 24.0 26.0 26.0 27.0 33.0 21.0 20.0 23.0 28.0 30.0
29 Gene Harris 50 Pt.Richmond-CA Vapour 2.4 249.0 9.0 26.0 29.0 27.0 29.0 25.0 27.0 23.0 31.0 31.0 29.0 25.0
30 Roberto Mesnick 47 Detroit-MI Cockatoo 2.4 255.0 15.0 25.0 28.0 29.0 31.0 33.0 22.0 25.0 30.0 28.0 24.0 29.0
31 Rick Mette 100 Detroit-MI Cockatoo 2.4 259.0 13.0 29.0 32.0 30.0 27.0 26.0 24.0 30.0 29.0 20.0 31.0 31.0
32 Ed Atkinson 53 Detroit-MI Vapour 2.4 287.0 16.0 30.0 30.0 32.0 32.0 29.0 26.0 31.0 32.0 29.0 33.0 33.0
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 04:49 AM
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Thanks for the scores Ted, I have been checking the web site but it's not been updated yet. Interesting to see some of the top seven boats are Lintels I'm assuming there's a good breeze to suit these
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 05:06 AM
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Interesting to see the new Cheinz in eighth position I understand these are designed by the Australian Jeff Byerley anybody know of or got pictures of this boat
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 06:54 AM
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So far it has been mid to top of the "A" rig, the wind builds during the day. In the last two races yesterday a few guys tried "B" rigs but they got killed down wind.

The Cheinz that is here is Byerley's boat that he sailed at the Worlds, nice looking boat. Lot's of pictures from the Worlds if you go back and look at them, it is number 14.

Supposed to be more wind today and tomorrow.

I am not a picture taking guy but I see a few people taking pictures so hopefully they will get posted soon.
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 09:46 AM
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Mirage radio yachts has a updated website you can look at pics of the
IOM chienz also.
http://www.mirageradioyachts.com/

Cheers Fizzy
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 09:54 AM
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Position Skipper Sail # Club/City Hull Freq Score 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
32 32 32 32 32 17 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
1 Brad Gibson 70 England BritPop 2.4 14.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 3.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 8.0 1.0 3.0 1.0 2.0
2 Richard Silverman 114 Ft. Lauderdale-FL Lintel 2.4 22.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 17.0 4.0 3.0 15.0 2.0 4.0 2.0 2.0 1.0
3 Tony Gonsalves 51 Barbados Lintel 2.4 47.0 3.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 33.0 6.0 4.0 7.0 5.0 1.0 3.0 16.0
4 Peter Allen 74 Barbados Lintel 2.4 49.0 8.0 3.0 4.0 14.0 8.0 2.0 2.0 12.0 8.0 4.0 4.0 6.0
5 Denis Rogers 43 San Diego-CA BritPop 2.4 51.0 2.0 4.0 5.0 9.0 3.0 4.0 3.0 11.0 3.0 7.0 18.0 13.0
6 Zach Aleya 46 Las Vegas-NV Topiko 2.4 60.0 2.0 7.0 14.0 5.0 6.0 8.0 9.0 1.0 7.0 9.0 6.0 17.0
7 Craig Mackey 29 Oceanside-CA Lintel 79 64.0 7.0 15.0 9.0 8.0 20.0 14.0 5.0 4.0 2.0 5.0 7.0 3.0
8 Peter Huttemeier 214 New York-NY Cheinz 2.4 84.0 9.0 9.0 3.0 16.0 2.0 7.0 13.0 15.0 27.0 6.0 15.0 5.0
9 Bob Flack 96 Detroit-MI Temptation 2.4 86.0 4.0 16.0 7.0 10.0 12.0 13.0 20.0 3.0 6.0 20.0 5.0 10.0
10 Peter Van Rossen 66 Kingston-CAN Topiko 2.4 87.0 5.0 8.0 12.0 1.0 14.0 5.0 7.0 16.0 13.0 15.0 21.0 7.0
11 John Elmaleh 102 New York-NY IE 2 2.4 98.0 5.0 10.0 8.0 18.0 20.0 12.0 12.0 10.0 9.0 13.0 10.0 9.0
12 Dan Maingot 90 Barbados Lintel 2.4 104.0 11.0 13.0 10.0 4.0 9.0 15.0 17.0 6.0 17.0 30.0 8.0 11.0
13 Mike French 10 Ft. Lauderdale-FL Pikanto 2.4 117.0 7.0 14.0 23.0 12.0 11.0 17.0 21.0 9.0 18.0 11.0 14.0 4.0
14 Ted Flack 45 Detroit-MI Temptation 2.4 121.0 6.0 12.0 17.0 13.0 5.0 9.0 18.0 28.0 12.0 12.0 17.0 27.0
15 Stan Wallace 39 Bahamas Cockatoo 2.4 124.0 8.0 27.0 16.0 15.0 15.0 10.0 6.0 5.0 14.0 14.0 25.0 21.0
16 Jeff Weiss 30 Costa Mesa-CA Widget 2.4 133.0 12.0 23.0 15.0 22.0 22.0 21.0 11.0 14.0 10.0 8.0 12.0 8.0
17 George Pedrick 199 Pt.Richmond-CA Pikanto 2.4 134.0 13.0 19.0 22.0 2.0 13.0 19.0 16.0 22.0 19.0 10.0 11.0 12.0
18 Stephan Cohen 28 Los Angeles-CA Pikanto 2.4 139.0 3.0 5.0 20.0 24.0 7.0 16.0 10.0 18.0 22.0 22.0 19.0 19.0
19 Roy Langboard 170 New York-NY Confusion 2.4 164.0 6.0 11.0 13.0 7.0 17.0 24.0 29.0 20.0 26.0 17.0 27.0 23.0
20 Hew Hamilton 165 New Orleans-LA Lintel 2.4 174.0 14.0 22.0 21.0 31.0 21.0 11.0 14.0 32.0 23.0 21.0 9.0 18.0
21 Al Ross 714 New Orleans-LA Lintel 2.4 175.0 11.0 18.0 11.0 11.0 16.0 20.0 33.0 26.0 24.0 24.0 26.0 14.0
22 Doc Hoyos 14 Barbados Cockatoo 2.4 189.0 14.0 24.0 18.0 28.0 25.0 22.0 30.0 13.0 15.0 18.0 16.0 24.0
23 Ray Dagenais 99 Detroit-MI Cockatoo 2.4 196.0 10.0 21.0 31.0 20.0 10.0 18.0 20.0 24.0 21.0 32.0 30.0 22.0
24 Peter Knox 02 Trinedad & Tobago Cockatoo 2.4 197.0 12.0 20.0 26.0 25.0 23.0 23.0 25.0 29.0 16.0 25.0 13.0 15.0
25 Garry Boell 31 San Francisco-CA Pikanto 2.4 200.8 15.0 32.0 20.0 23.0 28.0 25.8 23.0 27.0 11.0 16.0 20.0 20.0
26 John Taylor 65 England Sofar 2.4 212.0 10.0 31.0 25.0 19.0 30.0 33.0 8.0 17.0 28.0 26.0 23.0 26.0
27 Howard Rieman 71 Ft. Lauderdale-FL Vapour 2.4 223.0 4.0 17.0 27.0 21.0 24.0 28.0 28.0 33.0 25.0 27.0 22.0 28.0
28 Joe D'amico 180 Washington V-6 2.4 239.0 16.0 28.0 24.0 26.0 26.0 27.0 33.0 21.0 20.0 23.0 28.0 30.0
29 Gene Harris 50 Pt.Richmond-CA Vapour 2.4 249.0 9.0 26.0 29.0 27.0 29.0 25.0 27.0 23.0 31.0 31.0 29.0 25.0
30 Roberto Mesnick 47 Detroit-MI Cockatoo 2.4 255.0 15.0 25.0 28.0 29.0 31.0 33.0 22.0 25.0 30.0 28.0 24.0 29.0
31 Rick Mette 100 Detroit-MI Cockatoo 2.4 259.0 13.0 29.0 32.0 30.0 27.0 26.0 24.0 30.0 29.0 20.0 31.0 31.0
32 Ed Atkinson 53 Detroit-MI Vapour 2.4 287.0 16.0 30.0 30.0 32.0 32.0 29.0 26.0 31.0 32.0 29.0 33.0 33.0
Suprise! Allmost top ten boats got chine
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un-offical final - repost

from Bob Dunlap SBMYC. thanks Bob!

Well, it’s over! “B” rig conditions prevailed throughout the final day, Racing ended at 3:00 pm EST

Top 10:

1. Brad Gibson Britpop 33

2. Tony Gonsalves Lintle 85 (Tony dropped out of the final heat when his winch failed.)

3. Peter Allen Lintle 101

4. Craig Macky Lintle 116

5. Dennis Rogers Britpop 117

6. Zack Aleya Topico 129

7. Richard Silverman Lintle 130

8. Peter Huttemeier Chienz 202

9. Jon Elmaleh own design “ IE2 ” 203

10. Peter Van Rossem Topico 213



Complete score sheet will be sent as soon as it is made available.
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Pictures

Any pictures from the event?
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HISTORY on NZL 502?

Any New Zealand sailors out there? - I am looking for history on an IOM that apears to have a hull nr of NZL 502. It is a TS-2, original hull color apears to
be yellow. I have been lead to believe it won the WORLDS at some point in
its history. Would like to know if that is so and in what year. Perhaps even
the owner at that time. I have seen a picture of Craig Smith holding a yellow
boat in 1997 after the World but cant find any history of the event.

Can anyone help?

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us (iom) championship

just a quick message whilst i am still in the airport. the championship was a great success, perfect venue, good wind speed and the socials were great also.
i suffered badly with radio problems throughout the event and had to sit out all of the last day. i think i am going to sack my planet, 2.4ghz radio set and invest in some new gear at christmas.

great event but thinking of sailing somewhere else next year. maybe south africa???

jt
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just a quick message whilst i am still in the airport. the championship was a great success, perfect venue, good wind speed and the socials were great also.
i suffered badly with radio problems throughout the event and had to sit out all of the last day. i think i am going to sack my planet, 2.4ghz radio set and invest in some new gear at christmas.

great event but thinking of sailing somewhere else next year. maybe south africa???

jt
Sorry to hear that John, I always hope to see new designs showing their potential.

Regarding the radio, it seems to me that electrical problems are a way of life whatever the make. If I could trust other people's recommendations I'd follow them, whether that was for a Rolls royce or a Lada, but everything risks being a Pandora's box. Certainly considering what we pay for our boats and our travel, the radio budget is insignificant.

I've used various Spektrums for five seasons but a recent change to Futaba 6J seems a new generation - no antenna to break, lightning start up and recovery, low consumption, and quite cheap.

Any ideas, anyone ?

Jerry
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just a quick message whilst i am still in the airport. the championship was a great success, perfect venue, good wind speed and the socials were great also.
i suffered badly with radio problems throughout the event and had to sit out all of the last day. i think i am going to sack my planet, 2.4ghz radio set and invest in some new gear at christmas.

great event but thinking of sailing somewhere else next year. maybe south africa???

jt
Hi John, the Nats in RSA next year will be in Jhb, so not a great place for radio sailing in terms of wind and sailing venues from my experience living there. The guys in Cape Town run an event in November each year, Table Mountain Regatta, which is usually well attended locally. Great venue and usually good wind too, besides Cape Town is an awesome place to visit from a tourist point of view.
I'm hoping that by this time next year I'll be living back in CT. And if so, I'll be pushing to get some international guys over at some point....maybe an 'international invitational' of sorts.
Sorry to hear about your radio problems...was wondering about those results.

Cheers

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