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Old Sep 01, 2011, 08:43 AM
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Hi,
the yacht Peter sailed at the 2011 UK Nationals was his ISOTONIC, the same yacht he sailed at the 2010 European Championships. (still using a Barry Jackson winch with separate amplifier)

The BritPOP! he sailed, and won, at the 2011 Worlds is owned by Vicky (Brads bird).

The BritPOP! sailed by Brad, and won, the UK Nationals 2011 is the first production BritPOP!, the first 3 built (the 3 that cleaned up at the 2011 Worlds) were hand built by Brad and were made to prove the design in somebody else's hands other than Brads.

Besides from the first launch day race, the only design that has beaten me in a race since May was indeed another BritPOP! not a Lintel or MMX or even a Piccanto and i have sailed against quite a few ex World Champions (Roberts,Binks,Bantock,Zvonko). In short, a blind man on a galloping horse can see it is 'quite a fast boat'

As with most sporting equipment, the top of the range stuff will always give you a little extra help but it is always down to a good balance and there are a lot of factors in sailing toy boats that have to be correct before you can win,in order, fast boat,trim,start,shifts, fortunately you cannot buy a trim or a good start or the ability to see a shift but you can buy a design that gives you the edge over the rest of the fleet.
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Old Sep 01, 2011, 08:49 AM
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... no, it wont get Mr Average club sailor into the top 10 in the World but it will certainly help his cause.
Not if they sell 11 of them.

It is a nice looking boat, in a fast sense. How does it do in lighter air?
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Old Sep 01, 2011, 08:56 AM
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Hi,
the yacht Peter sailed at the 2011 UK Nationals was his ISOTONIC, the same yacht he sailed at the 2010 European Championships.
The BritPOP! he sailed, and won, at the 2011 Worlds is owned by Vicky (Brads bird).
The BritPOP! sailed by Brad, and won, the UK Nationals 2011 is the first production BritPOP!, the first 3 built (the 3 that cleaned up at the 2011 Worlds) were hand built by Brad and were made to prove the design in somebody else's hands other than Brads.
Besides from the first launch day race, the only design that has beaten me in a race was indeed another BritPOP! not a Lintel or MMX or even a Piccanto and i have sailed against quite a few ex World Champions (Roberts,Binks,Bantock,Zvonko). It is 'Quite a fast boat', no, it wont get Mr Average club sailor into the top 10 in the World but it will certainly help his cause.
very, very well mr Elliot

Britpop is a really very fast boat and impeccably constructed.

compliments from number six
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Old Sep 01, 2011, 09:36 AM
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I was still busy editing.
Boat seems fine in light airs, we had plenty of light air races at the Worlds and also at the Nationals and non of us seemed to suffer from lack of boat speed.
Light airs is an art form that not many grasp very well. Hull design does help but rig and trim are very important in light airs.
The design does seem to cope with everything that is thrown at it, be it 3rd suit in waves or light pox.
Having seen the production model that Brad won the UK Nationals with i can say that the mouldings were excellant, the boat looked immaculate, you really have to see it and work out how it is moulded, no mould lines at all and not painted.
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Old Sep 01, 2011, 09:37 AM
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Good to know. Thanks.
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Old Sep 01, 2011, 01:37 PM
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DM2 Information Page

DM2 now has an Information Page



http://www.ohope.co.nz/iom/DM2/index.html

See you on the water

All the best

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Old Sep 02, 2011, 11:02 PM
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Hi,

Does anyone know what design Martin Roberts sailed in the UK Nationals?

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Old Sep 03, 2011, 03:39 PM
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Lintel MMX... I think
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Old Sep 03, 2011, 03:59 PM
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Lintel MMX... I think
What is the difference between the Lintel and the Lintel MMX ????

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Old Sep 04, 2011, 09:05 AM
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What is the difference between the Lintel and the Lintel MMX ????

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I believe that it is a very light layup hull to reduce the weight. Then as much as 500 grams of corrector weights are placed low and central in the hull (usual IOm has around 100 to 150 grams of corrector weights). This is intended to reduce the weight in the ends of the hull to reduce its moments of inertial, That will allow the hull to respond quicker to waves.

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Old Sep 04, 2011, 09:46 AM
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Hiya Guys,
Just thought I would throw in my UK Championship thoughts for this year. The venue and organisation was excellent, considering Ken Binks and his staff had only a short time to get things organised. The wind direction was variable over the weekend but I was pleased to see in the first two days, the wind strength increase so much that we went to No2 rig. Only on the last day was the wind light and flucky.

As for my performance with a wooden boat. The seeding race was met with weed on my keel, so I started in E-Fleet. By the end of the first day I had risen to A-Fleet and remained.
On the second day came a sailing performance that would relegate me from A-Fleet, then B-Fleet only to be impeaded in C-Fleet and again in D-Fleet. Therefore, finishing the day back in E-Fleet. My frustrations were taken out at the bar and alot of beer. The only good thing was that E-Fleet finished in time to watch the second half of Manchester United's demolition of Arsenal.
Back to the Sailing, the last day saw me rise continually again from E-Fleet straight back into A-Fleet. With the competition finished, I found myself in 30th place.. As for my boat (SOFAR), it performs well throughout the wind speed range as well as having good down wind performance. Its just my ability that cannot keep any sense of consistancy during this years championship.
Its my intention now to bring the same boat with me to the US Championship in November. I hope I can maintain some consistency.

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Old Sep 04, 2011, 12:05 PM
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Hiya Guys,
Just thought I would throw in my UK Championship thoughts for this year. The venue and organisation was excellent, considering Ken Binks and his staff had only a short time to get things organised. The wind direction was variable over the weekend but I was pleased to see in the first two days, the wind strength increase so much that we went to No2 rig. Only on the last day was the wind light and flucky.

As for my performance with a wooden boat. The seeding race was met with weed on my keel, so I started in E-Fleet. By the end of the first day I had risen to A-Fleet and remained.
On the second day came a sailing performance that would relegate me from A-Fleet, then B-Fleet only to be impeaded in C-Fleet and again in D-Fleet. Therefore, finishing the day back in E-Fleet. My frustrations were taken out at the bar and alot of beer. The only good thing was that E-Fleet finished in time to watch the second half of Manchester United's demolition of Arsenal.
Back to the Sailing, the last day saw me rise continually again from E-Fleet straight back into A-Fleet. With the competition finished, I found myself in 30th place.. As for my boat (SOFAR), it performs well throughout the wind speed range as well as having good down wind performance. Its just my ability that cannot keep any sense of consistancy during this years championship.
Its my intention now to bring the same boat with me to the US Championship in November. I hope I can maintain some consistency.

JT

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Good to hear the actual performance of the boat was good. I find myself that the heat system can be harsh at times- don't have much experience in heat system but 2 things frustrated me when I raced in events with that systems: 1) you actually don't sail that much over duration of an event, 2) I've been taken out more then once by another boat and then it is the eternal struggle to climb up through the heats. Don't have a better way to get many RC boats racing together by the way but just my own view. Then time on the water is key so you get the optimum tuning of your boat straightaway or very quickly you find yourself relegated to the lower fleets, bagging plenty of points which you pay the price at the end.

We're lucky here in Ireland in that we have a small fleet which enable us to race together in one fleet and so we do between 12 to 16 races in one day and plenty of time on the water. giving just few mins to last boats to make some adjustments and we kick off the next race. with longer breaks every 4 races.

It's a format that works for us with the size of fleet that we have, typically 7 - 15 boats in most cases.

So in short I can share your frustrations !!!

Shortly we'll have 3 Reggae (brad's design) on Irish waters. Probably not as fast as his britpop but that'll do us for now. The actual performance is good though not coming from a CNC machined quality mould, but it shows its potential.

Brad is the type of sailor who can probably finish in top places sailing a tuperware box but supplemented by a good boat design and building skills make him special I suppose. I have sailed his sc4 design and we have a few Disco too. They're not pulling away anymore from me since I got my V6. But then again as Graham said the person behind the sticks play a key role too. It is clear that the sailing skills of the top IOM sailors are top and this is shown by so many different winners in all the major events, often the same names at the top but not necessarily in the same order. Any kind of advantage will play a part in the end result. That's one of the reason why I like the IOM class so much - the quality of the sailors and variety of designs ! Even here whilst we used to have one person dominating the class for a while, not anymore it is tight at the top.

Anyhow - well done John, keep us posted on your new boat sofar at the US nats. Good wind !
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Old Sep 05, 2011, 08:22 AM
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John Taylor:

Looking forward to seeing you and your boat at the US Nationals. If you need anything let us know. If you are shipping your boat I'm sure we can find a place to ship it to so that it is here when you arrive.

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Old Sep 05, 2011, 09:31 AM
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Ted,

There was a post this AM on the S1M Yahoo list that Hop Brook Lake is closed for the season due to Irene flooding and damage. You may want to contact the Housatonic MYC for a venue update.

Rick
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Old Sep 05, 2011, 09:35 AM
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That is the US1M not the IOM Nationals, but thanks for the update.
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