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Old Dec 13, 2009, 08:40 AM
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Who is Dieter Kalb? Is there any german build thread?
Dieter Kalb runs KD-Modelltechnik:

http://www.kd-modelltechnik.de/shop/

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Old Dec 13, 2009, 08:56 AM
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Maiden flight accomplished, but ...

at temperatures next to 0°C (32F) and a cold northerly wind of approx. 15mph, this is no time for serious flight testing.

AUW weight: 810g.

With the recommended 3s950mAh battery, correct CG was achieved without additional weight.

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Old Dec 13, 2009, 03:34 PM
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i have not seen the manual but i asume that you first mount the motor , then the axle and use it to align the rear bearing holder?
Or has the bearing a swivel (sp) mount that compensates for poor alighnment?
Btw being "cool" is a state of mind so the opesite must also be true
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other quick questionl i was looking at the spinner and am i right that the axles the blades rotate on are locked in place by the outer spinner cone instead of being bolts and nuts?
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Old Dec 13, 2009, 04:00 PM
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i have not seen the manual but i asume that you first mount the motor , then the axle and use it to align the rear bearing holder?
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Actually, as all parts sort of lock into place, aligning the shaft is no issue at all.

First you screw the motor to the motor mount and add the shaft adapter. Then you put the ball bearing into the rear plastic part and assemble the Elapor fairing. You glue the motor mount to the other end and then you install the carbon shaft.

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Old Dec 13, 2009, 04:01 PM
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other quick questionl i was looking at the spinner and am i right that the axles the blades rotate on are locked in place by the outer spinner cone instead of being bolts and nuts?
That's correct.

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Old Dec 14, 2009, 05:41 AM
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at temperatures next to 0°C (32F) and a cold northerly wind of approx. 15mph, this is no time for serious flight testing.

AUW weight: 810g.

With the recommended 3s950mAh battery, correct CG was achieved without additional weight.

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Put your coat on and get out there,come back with the flight report
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Old Dec 14, 2009, 06:04 AM
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Put your coat on and get out there,come back with the flight report
Well, coat doesn't really help to keep the thumbs warm.

Glad that I did the maiden this weekend, as - according to the weather forecast - it will get much colder and the wind does not ease off either.

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Old Dec 14, 2009, 06:19 AM
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What do you mean by "you paid for it and waited and waited"? I would not pay for something until it is actually available. It was always clear, that the drive system won't come cheap (Robbe's drive system for the Sport Wing is not cheaper either). You can always build something yourself, like you had to do with models like the ZAGI etc.

You have such wonderful slopes in the UK and also in Yorkshire. Why not use them?

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I know but after years of the "add ons" being a reasonable price the cost structure of this model has been a bit of a shock. Originally I ordered from a uk modelshop both the merlin and xeno. They were promised back in august but just kept getting put back and back. Now I have them both and am able to cheaply power the merlin (30GBP) I just thought that the xeno would be the same.
Anyway, the chancellor of the exchequer (Mrs. Mutleyman!) has kindly let me buy the tuning power set, which means I will pay for it twice!? once from my bank account and again when she wants something fixing, decorating or both.

BTW Jurgen, I am a yorkshireman and the definition of such is a Scotsman with every last ounce of generosity squeezed out of him. Apologies to the scottish modellers (it is a self depracating joke against myself!)

All sorted now?

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Just my 2-cents (euro or dollar, that's your pick), but I find the drive kit expensive, it is almost 3x the price of the Xeno itself. Considering the fact that quality brushless motors and ESCs are an abundance on the market (http://www.hobbycity.com for example).

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that is why we need 22 4111 as advertised
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Old Dec 14, 2009, 09:18 AM
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I know but after years of the "add ons" being a reasonable price the cost structure of this model has been a bit of a shock.
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So you considered the price for the BL Drive Set for the EasyGlider reasonable (£124.50):

http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk...d.asp?id=19880

Drive system for Funjet: £112.99

Well, the Power drive Xeno TUNING Set falls right in the middle at £120.- :

http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk...d.asp?id=30211

and it's less than twice the price of the model and contains a lot more items.

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Jürgen,

All true, but you have to agree with me that considering the prices of brushless motors and ESCs nowadays all the drive kits are a little overpriced. The only reason I ordered the kit for my Xeno is because it has the plastic bits which are not available seperately yet.

Cheers,

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Old Dec 14, 2009, 09:47 AM
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Jürgen,

All true, but you have to agree with me that considering the prices of brushless motors and ESCs nowadays all the drive kits are a little overpriced. The only reason I ordered the kit for my Xeno is because it has the plastic bits which are not available seperately yet.

Cheers,

Sander.
Well, I don't think it is fair to use the prices of motors and ESC's from China for comparison.

The sets provide solutions for modelers who don't what to shop around for individual components, don't want to solder connectors to cables and who want proper instruction manuals.

You may call it clever marketing, selling a model comparatively cheap and make the profit with unique accessories. The price for the drive sets has never been a secret.

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