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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:03 AM
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Booooo! lol. Surely your not admitting defeat?

I actually believe that we are over complicating the equation. Forget frames, motors, electronics, etc etc. Just draw a standard T shape (with the Bottom arm longer or the same as the horizontal arm) and with a bit of (mathematics/angles) calculation, on that shape alone, we can come up with a centre, where all the "triangles meet".

I'll look into it further (although we are assuming that all 3 Motors are identical - but there is the extra weight of a Yaw Servo at the back too... DOH!)...
Balance is balance. Build your T with whatever equipment/gear you choose and If you make all arms the same length put a mark 20% back from the front of the T and move gear around till you achieve center of gravity nirvana. If you choose to make your tail arm longer for whatever reason you will need to move the cg rearward as the kaptein did on his T design.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:06 AM
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Under debate at present.

Yes, throttle channel for lift motors and gear channel for yaw.

Select your escs first and then follow their instructions.
*Tip* Pick programmable escs and buy a program card.

Turn delays off. Counter clockwise.

Yes

Small and light is better for aerobatics. Around 12" arms.

Read.

I'll be using CCPM. So I don't think the throttle channel needs to be tied to the ESCs. As I advance the throttle stick, the "pitch" channel should advance from 0% through the curve to 100%. I plan on flattening the curve around mid stick for a stable hover.


If that isn't the case, please let me know.


I'm hoping my 11X will allow for multiple gyro gains in heli mode. I hope to be able to tie the two front gyros to one gain channel, the tail motor gyro to another, and the tail servo gyro to a third gain channel.

The reasoning is that I can balance the "twitch" or "hunting" on each gyro separately.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:07 AM
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Balance is balance. Build your T with whatever equipment/gear you choose and If you make all arms the same length put a mark 20% back from the front of the T and move gear around till you achieve center of gravity nirvana. If you choose to make your tail arm longer for whatever reason you will need to move the cg rearward as the kaptein did on his T design.
I do understand what you are saying, and appreciate your feedback.
Do you think that having a longer rear arm on a "T", will make for a generally more stable Tri, as the 'triangle' between the 3 motors is that much bigger?
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:09 AM
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[QUOTE=Reflex1;16062760]Stage Two. Propeller Balancing


Good info Paul. You are peaking my interest in dusting off my Tri and making it fly better.

Thanks
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:15 AM
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I do understand what you are saying, and appreciate your feedback.
Do you think that having a longer rear arm on a "T", will make for a generally more stable Tri, as the 'triangle' between the 3 motors is that much bigger?
Yes I do, if I were building a T Tri I would make the rear arm longer than 50% of the front arm for reasons of stability. That would also make it easier balance wise to fit equipment. In other words you could hang ap gear out front and still achieve balance.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:19 AM
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"I'll be using CCPM. So I don't think the throttle channel needs to be tied to the ESCs. As I advance the throttle stick, the "pitch" channel should advance from 0% through the curve to 100%. I plan on flattening the curve around mid stick for a stable hover."

You asked where the gyro gain wires should be on the rx and I posted the throttle channel.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:35 AM
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I am slowly making my way through the 600-odd-pages of this thread. As of now, if the guidance isn't in the first (original) build documents, I haven't really seen it.
Also read 'backwards' from the end and you will see some of the recent developments of this thread, as well as alternatives or (minor) improvements to the original setup design. This helped me a lot to catch-up without reading every post.

Also what helps me on long threads is to look only through the picture gallery. There are much less pics than posts (though many pics as well!) but if you run across pics or diagrams that seem interesting/relevant to you just open a new tab and open that particular post to read what is going on.

Hope that helps, above and beyond the obvious 'use search button' methods...
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 09:47 AM
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Yes I do, if I were building a T Tri I would make the rear arm longer than 50% of the front arm for reasons of stability. That would also make it easier balance wise to fit equipment. In other words you could hang ap gear out front and still achieve balance.
Thanks for that. Well on my Quadrocopter, motor shaft to motor shaft is 20.5". Therefore the front Arm could be similar here on the Tri, for 20.5" motor spacing.
With a 25 - 30 inch rear arm? Greater stability than making all 3 motors 20" apart? Then also as you say, more space to play with/CofG.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 10:16 AM
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I do understand what you are saying, and appreciate your feedback.
Do you think that having a longer rear arm on a "T", will make for a generally more stable Tri, as the 'triangle' between the 3 motors is that much bigger?

My T Kopter has a longer rear boom, I will no doubt be playing with C.G. when I get it ready for flight. If the maiden is successful you can follow along

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1305025


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Old Sep 16, 2010, 11:02 AM
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Very nice work Mike, impeccable as always.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 11:02 AM
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anybody tried using the Turnigy Sentry 25a ESC's? I've got the Turnigy Plush 30a ESC's on backorder and the sentry's have come into stock.

I've got no idea what to do with the balancing plug - I'm guessing you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

Oh, the motors are the 2830/14 750kv ones from RCTimer, and I'll be using the recommended props.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 11:19 AM
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"I'll be using CCPM. So I don't think the throttle channel needs to be tied to the ESCs. As I advance the throttle stick, the "pitch" channel should advance from 0% through the curve to 100%. I plan on flattening the curve around mid stick for a stable hover."

You asked where the gyro gain wires should be on the rx and I posted the throttle channel.
So, you use the throttle channel to provide 0~49% for NORM and 51~100% for Heading Hold?

That's pretty clever. Especially since the throttle channel isn't used anyway. Then you can use the GAIN channel for the rudder gyro gain.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 11:35 AM
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Set a linear throttle curve at around 30-40%across the board as a starting point. If that's too sensitive go to a bigger number. I have found that 20% makes mine behave like a spaz.

Gear channel for yaw gain.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 11:51 AM
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anybody tried using the Turnigy Sentry 25a ESC's? I've got the Turnigy Plush 30a ESC's on backorder and the sentry's have come into stock.

I've got no idea what to do with the balancing plug - I'm guessing you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

Oh, the motors are the 2830/14 750kv ones from RCTimer, and I'll be using the recommended props.
No idea on the ESCs (the RCtimer 30A ones are working for me so far) but the balance plug is really only useful if you want to power a secondary system with the main battery. I.e. I use the balance plug to power my pretty LEDs on my tri, and the FPV gear as well. It can also be used to power the low-voltage alarm if you use one, instead of tapping the main wires.
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 12:03 PM
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Intersting build by MR Gress

No rear motor

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