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Old Nov 11, 2009, 01:04 PM
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Just an outsider looking in but would a TX pound be a way to go ? You would need a member to man it though,but surely people could take turns for an hour or so? and the frequency pins would be put on and removed from the board by the pound Marshell as the pilot collects and hands back the TX to the pound .
SteveW just offering an idea
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 01:18 PM
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The frequency issue is solving itself with the 2.4 systems. The PSS fest this year had few frequency problems cuz 1/2 the participants were flying 2.4. As time goes on more and more guys will be using the 2.4 radios and frequency boards will start to vanish. Most of my stuff is stull the old 72mhz but I'm starting to switch too. I bought my first 2.4 radio a few months ago.

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Old Nov 11, 2009, 01:54 PM
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Just an outsider looking in but would a TX pound be a way to go ? You would need a member to man it though,but surely people could take turns for an hour or so? and the frequency pins would be put on and removed from the board by the pound Marshell as the pilot collects and hands back the TX to the pound .
SteveW just offering an idea
Steve they do impound the TX's
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:08 PM
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but does the impound controller the one who handles the frequency allocations ? eg putting pin on and taking it off when the Tx comes back ?
I mean is the frequency board in the impound area
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:13 PM
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Mind you its like TLFG said 2.4 is taking the need away slowly but surely not only in the States but world wide I fear soon trying to source Crystals will be like trying to find a Betacord video tape or player.
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:24 PM
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The problem is, there are a lot of planes at Soar Utah (more than any other event)
that literally only fly every two years at Soar Utah, so not a huge incentive to switch
to 2.4Ghz. 2.4ghz is still a hassle in carbon moldies too of which there are
quite a few there as well.

2.4ghz can also complicate the impound a bit, because one might fly 2.4Ghz some
of the time, and FM other times using modules, so you can't impound the Tx itself.
I have 2.4ghz modules for my 9C and soon my Stylus.

ian
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:36 PM
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At our recent slope fest with a total of 70 pilots over the week long festival and 1 keyboard we had no problem at all be that good luck or good management I cant say ,but our simple system seemed to work . Not sure it you guys do it over there but even the 2.4 guys are required to put a peg on the board because of the mixing of FM and 2.4 its still helps to know who's on what .
SteveW
P.S they have Carbon friendly 2.4 Rx's now
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:39 PM
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Like I said I'm on the outside looking in , local knowledge is the best knowledge
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:50 PM
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Sadly, the only thing different about the 2.4 carbon friendly RX's is longer antenna wires, making it easier to extend whiskers out the fuse sides.
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 02:55 PM
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Again, I think the problem was that a lot of people didn't realize that
there were even other people on "their" channel, because so many people
were forced to switch channels at the last minute to avoid the high conflict ones.
There were 6 people on ch16 (my usual one) so a lot of us moved to
other channels, but some of those folks didn't realize they no longer had
exclusive use of them since none of this was reflected on the registered
pilot/channel list.
I was one of those other guys that usually flies Ch16. I had taken a few other crystals for my planes that didn't have the receiver imbedded in Goop, but as luck would have it, those freqs. were being used, too. I made my receiver accessible in my newest foamy, so that should help somewhat.

My problem with 2.4 is the price of the receivers. I have a 2.4 radio with one reciever, but I have a hard time buying more when I could get 2 or 3, 72 mhz receivers for the same price.
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:05 PM
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As yet I dont have or really even have plans to buy 2.4 every time some one goes 2.4 my 36mhz gets cheaper and one less frequency clash as to the 2.4 Rx carbon friendly with long aerials thats exactly what we do to over come the carbon shadow with our FM gear anyway either double the aerial lenght and trail it behind the aircraft or run it external so I guess its the same thing. Sorry thread hijack I'll shut up now
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:12 PM
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but does the impound controller the one who handles the frequency allocations ? eg putting pin on and taking it off when the Tx comes back ?
I mean is the frequency board in the impound area
SteveW
Hey Steve
Yes, the person running the impound also controls the Freq and freq pins, I think the problem was that on some of the freq, people were having to wait quite a lot of time to their chance to fly. Like on guy mentioned he had to wait 2 hours or more to fly. Actually I liked the way the TX impound was run, it seemed pretty secure as far as freq control.

I think that a better system of time alotment per flyer would be more in order. But then again like Laird said as time goes on, flying on 72mhz may not be a big issue with most eveyone going to 2.4 ghz. Personally I am still on 72 mhz and will be for awhile.

Chip

PS, he himself who needs to be better organized next time to have more fun.
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:30 PM
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New York Slope Dog reflects on Soar Utah

> What did you like what didn't you like???

Spencer,

Like TFLG, I have missed only one Soar Utah since 1995. I have seen some fabulous
sailplanes, met some highly skilled and super interesting flyers. The Intermountain Silent
Flyers club puts on a very well-organized event. I plan to return to Sandy in 2010.

- I like the fun fly aspect with a an optional scale contest.
Fun fly format gives more flying time. Racing sucks up flight line time.
The scale contest attracts some interesting (and photogenic) sailplanes.
It's great to have a mandatory flying component to the scale contest.

- I like the idea of a central hotel.

- The only problem I had in 2008 was guys hanging onto the freq pin for long time.
As mentioned, 2.4 tends to reduce this. Still, it's worth IMSF club attention.

- Raffles matter not to me. I realize they are important to some.

- I like that the IMSF seeks out new and interesting flying sites.
For those not interested in the additional travel, stay at the main slope.

- "Dynamic Soaring Adventures" Now there's an idea. Think the IMSF guys
could include introductory lessons for us low-time but wannabe DS flyers?

I'm looking forward to another trip to The Great Salt Lake area in September.

// Dave Garwood
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:50 PM
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Scratch or shorten the raffle
I attended 4 times and spend every time $$
's on Raffle tickets and not even won some glue.

But Marty's (prplgoat) jumps and joy (after winning 3 or more times?) last time were priceless.

One more wish: better weather on the Monday at Antelope or Francis Pk


Cheers
Thomas

Frequency control is/ was good enough IMO
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 04:40 PM
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Frequency control will of course be an important topic for discussion. Your comments will come in handy for resolving these issues and making Soar Utah better each time so keep making those suggestions.

Someone turned me on to these 2.4 receivers the other day.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbycity/s...&ParentCat=190
For less then the price of one Futaba 2.4 Rx I can get the mondule and two Rx's.
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