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Old Nov 05, 2009, 06:52 AM
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I was at Lowes the other day, looking for some release film since Michaels was out of the larger sizes of write-n-wipe poster board.

I found some material, made of vinyl, 10" wide by 50' long. It's labeled as flashing, near the shingles.

Feels just like the write-n-wipe. It has a matte side, and the gloss side is smoother and more reflective than write-n-wipe.

I'll be putting a set of wings in the bag today with this film and i'll report back on how it works.

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Old Nov 05, 2009, 10:43 AM
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You don't use Mylars?

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Old Nov 05, 2009, 10:54 AM
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Hey J.M.! Long time!!

I'm interested in how well (or if) this stuff works for ya.
Also, have you used Mylar? Would be good to get a compairison on how both worked otu for you..
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 11:54 AM
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You don't use Mylars?

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No, you don't necessarily have to use mylars. A real-world UAV designer said that if the surface had a approx 0.005" or less imperfection, the flow over the surface was not turbulated as you might expect. Ou can get that with some foams. Obviously we all want and strive for that "shiny" surface, but he found that you could bag surfaces with just 4 mil plastic, that is if the you can find plastic that is not foled, and does not have bubbles or dust granules in the plastic. Their presence does show up in the final bagged surface. He has had considerable interaction with Dr. Drella, so I will go with my UAV friend on this one. It is particularly useful when the compound curves on surfaces are required and mylars do not work.
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 01:29 PM
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I will side with Thermalin' and JM on this one. There is always more than one way to get to the end. Just because something has always been done that way is not a reason to continue on the same path.

the best material I have ever used was the write and wipe poster board. It forms very nicely over curves. It will release very nicely with out wax, overall it is nice to use. I use very thin Mylars in order to get a nicer finish. I give up some durability but the end result is worth it.
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 04:07 PM
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Let us know how it works - for small things (fins and such) it's nice to have a local source of material.

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Old Nov 05, 2009, 04:58 PM
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What is it supposed to be used for?
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 05:19 PM
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Let me add to that, the write on/wipe off material is not the same thickness as mylars so the epoxy flow under vacuum is not level. It leaves an awesome shine without waxing but it does leave bumps on the surface finish over foam cores. It works great for balsa fins and such that has a rigid core.
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 06:32 PM
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Let me add to that, the write on/wipe off material is not the same thickness as mylars so the epoxy flow under vacuum is not level. It leaves an awesome shine without waxing but it does leave bumps on the surface finish over foam cores. It works great for balsa fins and such that has a rigid core.
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+1 on that
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 07:32 PM
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Im with Garald with this one.


AC5FF prof read.
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Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:02 PM
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Im with Garald with this one.


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You too buddy...

I have not used mylars, only the write-n-wipe poster board. Im trying to not have to use wax, as Paul noted, and hopefully the flashing will give an even smoother surface since it's slightly shinier than the write-n-wipe.

But long story short, didn't get to bagging the wings today. Will do tomorrow.

I have played with some mylar before, it was for drafting (mechanical drawing) in the size of a regular piece of computer paper. I do not know what thickness it was, but the vinyl flashing and write-n-wipe seem stiffer.

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Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:51 PM
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Im with Garald with this one.


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George.. I do NOT believe YOU of all people have any place in God's green earth to correct ANYONE's typing and/or English!

You know... (and sorry JM for putting this here) ...I have had to deal with people from all over the world in my 21yrs in the military... But I have YET to see ANYONE that was as full of themselves as you!


Now .. back to subject.. J.M. Where are you picking up the white erase material??? Can you give me a part#/etc??
I have heard that good craft stores (like Michaels) would have stuff like this... Where would I find it there? How much?
I just yesterday found 150' rolls of 4mil mylar sheets .. Forgot to ask how much they were tho. Will have to call em back tomorrow and see; but I'm always willing to try something different!

I've got my wings cut, and my obichi arrived today. Not gonna require a mylar/white board for this one, but I may end up glassing over the top so I'm on the hunt for something to use. (hopefully cheap LoL) I was at Lowes today and looked around for the stuff you originally were talking about but didn't see it.... Not a big deal - the other things I went for I couldn't find either! They keep moving all their stock around! One day the glues will be in isle 23 the next day that isle is full of screws and bolts! Just can't win!! LoL
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I always thought the reason we used thick (.014") mylar was because of of it's stiffness. It's ability to bridge minor all the minor imperfections in the foam/glass is what leaves you with that nice fresh from the mold look when you pull it out of the bag. If your mylar (or whatever you're using) is too thin then all that stuff telegraphs through.
Just something to keep in mind when looking for alternatives.
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Old Nov 06, 2009, 06:15 AM
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I always thought the reason we used thick (.014") mylar was because of of it's stiffness. It's ability to bridge minor all the minor imperfections in the foam/glass is what leaves you with that nice fresh from the mold look when you pull it out of the bag. If your mylar (or whatever you're using) is too thin then all that stuff telegraphs through.
Just something to keep in mind when looking for alternatives.
Dave
That seems cogent... The vinyl stuff is thick. Don't have calipers, but it's around 7 or 8 sheets of paper stacked together, right around the thickness of write-n-wipe.

ac5ff...
Id say just to order the write-n-wipe online. It's much cheaper.

The lrgest size i've found is only 28" wide which really limits you unless you want a seam on your wings. @ Michaels, it's about $2 for a 24" x 28" sheet. Online that's closer to $1 and the shipping is cheap, they'll roll it up.

In the Lowes near my place, it's next to the lumber isle, where they have the strips of poplar, red oak, and the smaller sheets of birch ply (not Baltic birch, btw, not good quality wood). Did you see the aluminum/tin flashing? It also comes in a light caramel color, which isn't pretty, but it is cheaper. And they sell it in 10' rolls if you don't want a bunch.

Maybe it's just a regional thihng, i'd check at the service desk if they don't have it in stock, to see if they can order it.
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Old Nov 06, 2009, 06:39 AM
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Maybe it's just a regional thihng, i'd check at the service desk if they don't have it in stock, to see if they can order it.
Might be...

Can you post a picture of the package?

Thanks

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