Arizona Jets Event - Nov. 20,21,22

SCALEFAN · Nov 03, 2009, 12:54 AM

The Race Is On

Superstition Air Park

http://www.azmodelaviators.com/Jet%2...et%20Rally.htm

A neat video of last year's event.

20th Annual Arizona Jet Rally (6 min 16 sec)

Note: There is a speed limit, your jet must fly 80 mph or faster to fly in prime time. Time to show the beef, who's gonna blurr the tube in the radar gun?

SCALEFAN · Nov 03, 2009, 01:04 AM

From Experience at Superstition Air Park.

It's a great flying field. But....

So, I went alone to another event two years ago. I needed a spotter and one of the club members volunteered. Everything went great, except I landed a little hot and a little long. My Hurricane went past the end of the pavement and then disappeared. Just like magic, puff it was gone. I thought worst case it would hit the bushes just past the end of the runway. Nope. Then the spotter tells me, "oh there's a ditch, you can't see it"

As you can see in the video, the jets are landing left to right. This is not the normal pattern, the normal pattern is reversed. If you land long and fast, and your brakes don't work, you plane will disappear into a 12 foot deep ditch just past the paved end of the runway. The ditch is invisable and it's just before the bushes (speed trap) .

bruff · Nov 03, 2009, 01:51 AM

The 80 MPH requirement has been relaxed. They just want to make sure the jets can fly the pattern. This been a very EDF friendly event. Last year 50% EDF and 50% turbine.
Bob

moparren · Nov 03, 2009, 09:14 AM

Does that mean I'm OK fllying the pattern slow as long as I'm doing it at 10000 feet Bob?

Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruff

The 80 MPH requirement has been relaxed. They just want to make sure the jets can fly the pattern. This been a very EDF friendly event. Last year 50% EDF and 50% turbine.
Bob

lashmett75 · Nov 03, 2009, 11:49 AM

Pattern flying ; Left to right / right to left is determined by the prevailing wind direction. Yes the left to right pattern is more forgiving if a landing is long, but the runway is plenty long, and I would advise if you dont have brakes on your jets to take some landing aproaches before it is really time to land. Always a good idea to take some approaches at a field you are new at.

James

DanSavage · Nov 03, 2009, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCALEFAN

If you land long and fast, and your brakes don't work...

Technically speaking, if you're landing long and fast, you should execute a go-around and try again and keep going around until you get the model slowed down enough so it doesn't go off the end of the runway.

EDF Phantom · Nov 03, 2009, 12:23 PM

I should be there.

Gene

Ron101 · Nov 03, 2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Time to show the beef, who's gonna blurr the tube in the radar gun?

Hey Al,
I'll be there... not sure about showing the beef... I think a Ham Sandwich maybe a pork chop

None of my planes will blurr the radar gun... but are plenty fast and fun to me

I am really looking forward to meeting you guys from groups... so if you see my planes please come say hi.. it's going to be cool to see what everone is bringing... Al are you bringing that super huge awesome T-45 so I can stare at it

really hope the XPS guys bring the Stu Max F-15 and all there other cool planes.. I've never been to arizona so this will be a fun trip for me..
I have friends and family in the area to visit too while I'm there....

Ron101 · Nov 03, 2009, 12:58 PM

also I'm showing up on Thursday after noon ... I'm pre registered would I be able to get a warm up flight Thursday afternoon to check out the site?

No big deal if not.. but would be cool

Ron

JimDrew · Nov 03, 2009, 01:05 PM

Is there a speed limit on EDFs. ?

SCALEFAN · Nov 03, 2009, 01:25 PM

I am bringing the Carf T-45 Hawk, and the Nitroplanes Starfire. I don't know how much flying I will do, but, I will be thrilled beyond just watching the turbines and fast EDFs do their thing.

I have not flown the Hawk yet, waiting until AZ jets. I was going to fly it at our field, but, the approach is short, nobody at our club has much experience with ducted fans, jets, or even larger planes... Believe it or not, I am one of the most experienced in that area...and that is a sorry state of affairs. LOL I don't want to risk loosing that plane because of a stupid move. I really would feel more comfortable with experience standing next to me...and I plan to ask at the AZ event.

I'll be there bright and early Thursday morning to show the chicken.

Ron101 · Nov 03, 2009, 01:29 PM

Cool Al! can't wait to check it out
Nothing wrong with chicken.... better than you showing salami

that might get you arrested

EDF Phantom · Nov 03, 2009, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron101

I am really looking forward to meeting you guys from groups... so if you see my planes please come say hi..

What does your plane, or even what do you look like? I don't want to be wandering the pits looking for someone that resembles Jackie Chan.
Gene

Ed Waldrep · Nov 03, 2009, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron101

Nothing wrong with chicken.... better than you showing salami

that might get you arrested

Oh, so you've heard that story when Gene and Steve H and I were at the restaurant and there were these college chicks and so I dared Gene to...uh, and then the cops came?

I'll be there, I wish with a brand new airplane but scratcbuilding always takes longer than I want, so I'll be driving my 63" F-22 and my 62" Haoye F-18 conversion. The 65" F-15 I'm scratcbuilding wont even be close.

EDF Phantom · Nov 03, 2009, 01:48 PM

Cops came,,, was I that Drunk and Beligerant?

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Nov 03, 2009, 01:04 AM	#2
SCALEFAN Show your beef, I show chicken Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Anaheim, California Posts: 3,686	From Experience at Superstition Air Park. It's a great flying field. But.... So, I went alone to another event two years ago. I needed a spotter and one of the club members volunteered. Everything went great, except I landed a little hot and a little long. My Hurricane went past the end of the pavement and then disappeared. Just like magic, puff it was gone. I thought worst case it would hit the bushes just past the end of the runway. Nope. Then the spotter tells me, "oh there's a ditch, you can't see it" As you can see in the video, the jets are landing left to right. This is not the normal pattern, the normal pattern is reversed. If you land long and fast, and your brakes don't work, you plane will disappear into a 12 foot deep ditch just past the paved end of the runway. The ditch is invisable and it's just before the bushes (speed trap) .

Nov 03, 2009, 01:51 AM	#3
bruff Team EJF Team Hacker Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Gilbert, Az Posts: 5,292	The 80 MPH requirement has been relaxed. They just want to make sure the jets can fly the pattern. This been a very EDF friendly event. Last year 50% EDF and 50% turbine. Bob

Nov 03, 2009, 11:49 AM	#5
lashmett75 TEAM EJF Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,638	Pattern flying ; Left to right / right to left is determined by the prevailing wind direction. Yes the left to right pattern is more forgiving if a landing is long, but the runway is plenty long, and I would advise if you dont have brakes on your jets to take some landing aproaches before it is really time to land. Always a good idea to take some approaches at a field you are new at. James

Nov 03, 2009, 12:23 PM	#7
EDF Phantom You can't see me I'm a Phantom Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 303	I should be there. Gene

Nov 03, 2009, 12:58 PM	#9
Ron101 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brentwood, California Posts: 1,954	also I'm showing up on Thursday after noon ... I'm pre registered would I be able to get a warm up flight Thursday afternoon to check out the site? No big deal if not.. but would be cool Ron

Nov 03, 2009, 01:05 PM	#10
JimDrew Xtreme Power Systems Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lake Havasu, AZ Posts: 7,531	Is there a speed limit on EDFs. ?

Nov 03, 2009, 01:25 PM	#11
SCALEFAN Show your beef, I show chicken Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Anaheim, California Posts: 3,686	I am bringing the Carf T-45 Hawk, and the Nitroplanes Starfire. I don't know how much flying I will do, but, I will be thrilled beyond just watching the turbines and fast EDFs do their thing. I have not flown the Hawk yet, waiting until AZ jets. I was going to fly it at our field, but, the approach is short, nobody at our club has much experience with ducted fans, jets, or even larger planes... Believe it or not, I am one of the most experienced in that area...and that is a sorry state of affairs. LOL I don't want to risk loosing that plane because of a stupid move. I really would feel more comfortable with experience standing next to me...and I plan to ask at the AZ event. I'll be there bright and early Thursday morning to show the chicken.

Nov 03, 2009, 01:29 PM	#12
Ron101 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brentwood, California Posts: 1,954	Cool Al! can't wait to check it out Nothing wrong with chicken.... better than you showing salami that might get you arrested

Nov 03, 2009, 01:48 PM	#15
EDF Phantom You can't see me I'm a Phantom Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 303	Cops came,,, was I that Drunk and Beligerant?