Zombie Plan - Page 2

Pudknocker71 · Nov 02, 2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ashdec87

That's true, altho a jab through the eye would make quick work of it.

I like the heli idea. But all that noise would just draw more zombies to you. I guess that's kinda irrelevant if you're already surrounded and have a good fortress..

What do you guys think about shelters??

According to the 'Guide', chainlink fences wouldnt hold up long as zombies pile up on each other. You need something along the lines of a 20 foot concrete wall. But even then if you have enough of them surrounding you, they might eventually be able to start climbing over each other. I guess a little gas/torch would burn the 'zombie ramp' down..

Also would need to be big enough to support you and others. they were actually suggesting an old fashion prison (the ones with solid walls).

And as for solid attack vehicles, an armored car. Some of them are huge and no zombie could get in it..

Problem is all this forthought. If it happened you would have to use what you have. In my case..I'm screwed. Couple of guns I have wouldn't do much. Shovel might be my best weapon.

And what kind of Zombies are we talking about here....night of the living dead zombies (where something in the air kills people ((if I remember right)) or Thriller zombies (just crawl out of the ground)? I'm thinking the 1st would be much more of a problem. Fresh zombies might be quite strong where as a 90 year old lady coming back to life ...not so much a problem.

And what is the typical zombies motivation? Just to Kill? Brains? Or more likely to rome aimlessly?

What do they do if you over 6 foot or don't fit in the castet? IF a casket is 6 foot then you still need room for the liner and stuff. Would that mean that some zombies would have broken lets?

Just ..just.. too many questions!

primer · Nov 02, 2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudknocker71

ar-15 will be next to useless. Swing it as a weapon would be better.

Not really useless. It would be great for head shots. Either way it's better than throwing rocks at them.

But if they are running at me I could at least slow them down. And with a 30 round clip, I would have to reload less.

ashdec87 · Nov 02, 2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudknocker71

Problem is all this forthought. If it happened you would have to use what you have. In my case..I'm screwed. Couple of guns I have wouldn't do much. Shovel might be my best weapon.

And what kind of Zombies are we talking about here....night of the living dead zombies (where something in the air kills people ((if I remember right)) or Thriller zombies (just crawl out of the ground)? I'm thinking the 1st would be much more of a problem. Fresh zombies might be quite strong where as a 90 year old lady coming back to life ...not so much a problem.

And what is the typical zombies motivation? Just to Kill? Brains? Or more likely to rome aimlessly?

What do they do if you over 6 foot or don't fit in the castet? IF a casket is 6 foot then you still need room for the liner and stuff. Would that mean that some zombies would have broken lets?

Just ..just.. too many questions!

LOL

Ok well I think we're assuming night of the living dead zombies. They are attracted to living folks to eat, but in general they wander around unless they see/hear something interesting/yummy.

As for the ar-15. Personally, give me an ak-47, more reliable and generally the stock is much tougher, allowing for a solid skull smash...

avoidingexpert · Nov 02, 2009, 07:30 PM

If they are slow Zombies ( like Shawn of the Dead) I think the average gun toting American citizen would have no trouble, however if they are fast movers ( i am legend) well that might call for a diffrant Zombie plane. A water born excursion to a secluded island! (maybe Giligans) That is only if the belief at that time is that Zombies can't swim! I think they should be able to swim, we are born that way and there is no good argument that natural instinct would just go away.

ashdec87 · Nov 02, 2009, 08:08 PM

The zombies in I Am Legend had super powers...I think we're assuming they have more of a shuffle, at most close to a speed walk pace.

Coordination of zombies generally doesnt allow them to perform complicated tasks like climbing and swimming. Doesnt mean they cant float..and since they dont need oxygen I hear that zombies can survive UNDER water, i.e. walk on the bottom of lakes, oceans.

So Islands are good unless some zombie manages to float over to you..

Pudknocker71 · Nov 03, 2009, 12:44 AM

Flame thrower.

ashdec87 · Nov 03, 2009, 12:57 AM

that would be a lot of fun..lol

I think a .50 cal with a scope might make for some fun shots.

quadracer111 · Nov 03, 2009, 12:58 AM

Well im up in Canada already. Province of 1m people i would just head a bit more up north and go to the mine camps. With a shotgun, .22, crowbar and maybe a big caliber semi auto.

ashdec87 · Nov 03, 2009, 10:24 AM

oh nice. Just gotta go where there arent too many people...or where people might go.

Wonder if a large tree house would make a good shelter..

RGinCanada · Nov 03, 2009, 04:33 PM

It all depends if your zombie infestation is a temporary, localized situation, or you have a permanent global zombie pandemic.

In the first case you can hunker down, with a few weapons and wait it out.
In the second, your gonna need some serious lifestyle changes. And lots of spare shorts.

KnifeEdge51 · Nov 04, 2009, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ashdec87

. . . I'd probably get a crow bar (silent, but deadly with a lot of uses and easy to get), a handgun if i could . . .

"Gordon Freeman?! Is that you?" -Barney

<---- Is anxiously awaiting the release of HL2: Episode 3!

Ira NZ · Nov 04, 2009, 06:39 AM

We also need to figure out exactly what weather conditions zombies can survive, this could open up a lot of zombie free zones due to the climate.

Now, we know that you have to destroy their brain to destroy them, but clearly since they are dead they must be cold blooded their body temperature will tend to be the same as the ambient temperature. This means that their brains must be able to, at the very least, handle lower temperatures than would lead to death for a living human.

So, it would require temperatures that would cause physical damage to the brain? That would mean, at the very least that freezing should kill a zombie as water crystals in the brain burst all the brain cells. So they would not be able to survive any temperatures below around -5°C. Anywhere far enough north to be past a 1 year zombie ambling distance from any point that reaches these temperatures should be safe.

On the other end of the spectrum, surely high temperatures and dessication must cause physical damage to the tissues of the zombie brain. But what temperatures would be needed for that?

RGinCanada · Nov 04, 2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ira NZ

On the other end of the spectrum, surely high temperatures and dessication must cause physical damage to the tissues of the zombie brain. But what temperatures would be needed for that?

This raises the question: Does zombie flesh continue to degenerate, or does it enter a state of decompositional stasis? This information is somewhat crucial to one's long term survival plan, I would think.

ashdec87 · Nov 04, 2009, 11:05 AM

ah ok. Well as per the zombie survival guide

The zombies continue to decomposes(if i remember correctly), not requiring any food or oxygen. And this happens at a standard rate so generally in warm, humid climates a zombie will only last may be a week or two. It will be functional for even less as its eyes and muscles decompose and it can no longer move, but it remains contagious for a little while. In more moderate climates (midwest, east, etc), you might see them lasting longer depending on the weather. Cold will freeze them, but also preserves them so come spring, they will thaw and be a threat again. Hot dry climates will preserve them for a loooong time (think mummies)

So really speaking the best absolute place would be something like in the middle of the Amazon where it would take an outsider a week or more to get to you (thus a zombie wouldnt make it) and you're isolated probably even more than Canada

Ira NZ · Nov 04, 2009, 11:42 AM

I disagree, I think freezing will destroy a zombie. I don't put a huge amount of faith in the zombie survival guide for specifics. The writer has failed to perform any first hand experiments on zombies or to even interview anyone who has performed those experiments. It's entirely based on hearsay and guesswork. :P

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Nov 02, 2009, 07:30 PM	#19
avoidingexpert Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brevard, NC!! Posts: 68	If they are slow Zombies ( like Shawn of the Dead) I think the average gun toting American citizen would have no trouble, however if they are fast movers ( i am legend) well that might call for a diffrant Zombie plane. A water born excursion to a secluded island! (maybe Giligans) That is only if the belief at that time is that Zombies can't swim! I think they should be able to swim, we are born that way and there is no good argument that natural instinct would just go away.

Nov 02, 2009, 08:08 PM	#20
ashdec87 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago suburbanite Posts: 5,396	The zombies in I Am Legend had super powers...I think we're assuming they have more of a shuffle, at most close to a speed walk pace. Coordination of zombies generally doesnt allow them to perform complicated tasks like climbing and swimming. Doesnt mean they cant float..and since they dont need oxygen I hear that zombies can survive UNDER water, i.e. walk on the bottom of lakes, oceans. So Islands are good unless some zombie manages to float over to you..

Nov 03, 2009, 12:44 AM	#21
Pudknocker71 Cake! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Debary, Fl. Posts: 1,932	Flame thrower.

Nov 03, 2009, 12:57 AM	#22
ashdec87 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago suburbanite Posts: 5,396	that would be a lot of fun..lol I think a .50 cal with a scope might make for some fun shots.

Nov 03, 2009, 12:58 AM	#23
quadracer111 Revo .26 red dot and PZ Trojan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada, Saskatchewan, Saskatoon Posts: 1,103	Well im up in Canada already. Province of 1m people i would just head a bit more up north and go to the mine camps. With a shotgun, .22, crowbar and maybe a big caliber semi auto.

Nov 03, 2009, 10:24 AM	#24
ashdec87 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago suburbanite Posts: 5,396	oh nice. Just gotta go where there arent too many people...or where people might go. Wonder if a large tree house would make a good shelter..

Nov 03, 2009, 04:33 PM	#25
RGinCanada Tinkerer in Training Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Guelph, ON Posts: 765	It all depends if your zombie infestation is a temporary, localized situation, or you have a permanent global zombie pandemic. In the first case you can hunker down, with a few weapons and wait it out. In the second, your gonna need some serious lifestyle changes. And lots of spare shorts.

Nov 04, 2009, 06:39 AM	#27
Ira NZ Bombs away! Err...landing Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Upper Hutt, New Zealand Posts: 1,528	We also need to figure out exactly what weather conditions zombies can survive, this could open up a lot of zombie free zones due to the climate. Now, we know that you have to destroy their brain to destroy them, but clearly since they are dead they must be cold blooded their body temperature will tend to be the same as the ambient temperature. This means that their brains must be able to, at the very least, handle lower temperatures than would lead to death for a living human. So, it would require temperatures that would cause physical damage to the brain? That would mean, at the very least that freezing should kill a zombie as water crystals in the brain burst all the brain cells. So they would not be able to survive any temperatures below around -5°C. Anywhere far enough north to be past a 1 year zombie ambling distance from any point that reaches these temperatures should be safe. On the other end of the spectrum, surely high temperatures and dessication must cause physical damage to the tissues of the zombie brain. But what temperatures would be needed for that?

Nov 04, 2009, 11:05 AM	#29
ashdec87 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago suburbanite Posts: 5,396	ah ok. Well as per the zombie survival guide The zombies continue to decomposes(if i remember correctly), not requiring any food or oxygen. And this happens at a standard rate so generally in warm, humid climates a zombie will only last may be a week or two. It will be functional for even less as its eyes and muscles decompose and it can no longer move, but it remains contagious for a little while. In more moderate climates (midwest, east, etc), you might see them lasting longer depending on the weather. Cold will freeze them, but also preserves them so come spring, they will thaw and be a threat again. Hot dry climates will preserve them for a loooong time (think mummies) So really speaking the best absolute place would be something like in the middle of the Amazon where it would take an outsider a week or more to get to you (thus a zombie wouldnt make it) and you're isolated probably even more than Canada

Nov 04, 2009, 11:42 AM	#30
Ira NZ Bombs away! Err...landing Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Upper Hutt, New Zealand Posts: 1,528	I disagree, I think freezing will destroy a zombie. I don't put a huge amount of faith in the zombie survival guide for specifics. The writer has failed to perform any first hand experiments on zombies or to even interview anyone who has performed those experiments. It's entirely based on hearsay and guesswork. :P