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Old Nov 18, 2009, 12:24 PM
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Outstanding work!

Quick question.

Do you bake as you go? Get a few layers on and then bake it a bit so that subsequent handling doesn't mess it up?

Then add more layers?

Thanks,
Tom
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Old Nov 18, 2009, 12:32 PM
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No... I don't usually bake and add layers. Fresh "Sculpey" clay doesn't stick very well to the baked clay unless the baked clay has a lot of texture... a mechanical bond instead of chemical bond. I made one of my heads that way with a clay "skull"... I added a lot of texture to the skull so the fresh clay would grab. For models with separate heads (or other parts), I bake the head then work on the body so I am able to use the finished head to test the fit without smushing it.
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Old Nov 18, 2009, 01:18 PM
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Warhead,
Thanks, I thought that's what you had used. I'll give it a try next pilot.
I'm like you, whatever works I use, spoons, plastic knives, nails.
I did break down and buy a set of cheap plastic clay sculpting tools and an clay "extruder" that came with several dies so I can extrude round and rectangular strips of various sizes.
http://www.sculpey.com/Products/prod...ss_claygun.htm

One more 1/12 scale WWI crew member to go I'm done for a while.
Now I have to build airplanes for all these pilots!!

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Old Nov 18, 2009, 01:53 PM
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Warren,
Dimensions check out. I also printed full size cut outs and tried them in the cockpit. He'll fit just right.
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Old Nov 18, 2009, 01:58 PM
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Warhead,
I did break down and buy a set of cheap plastic clay sculpting tools and an clay "extruder" that came with several dies so I can extrude round and rectangular strips of various sizes.
http://www.sculpey.com/Products/prod...ss_claygun.htm
Ivor
The extruder looks pretty useful... and I'm sure it would be easy to make more custom dies. Perfect for making belts, straps, cuffs, collars, etc.
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Old Nov 18, 2009, 08:49 PM
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Awesome job guys! Love all the ideas you are sharing.
Warhead, that WWI pilot is very good, the face is what I imagine that type of pilot to look like can't wait to see it in paint, oil grit etc.



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Old Nov 19, 2009, 05:34 AM
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This pilot really has character - like a British veteran.. Amazing how British he looks..

I remembered 'Those Magnificent Men and their Flying Machines'..

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Old Nov 19, 2009, 09:18 AM
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This pilot really has character - like a British veteran.. Amazing how British he looks..

I remembered 'Those Magnificent Men and their Flying Machines'..

Bulent
Hehe --- he reminds me of the Grail Knight from Indiana Jones:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/in.../67/Knight.jpg
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Old Nov 19, 2009, 02:29 PM
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Just got back from Dick Blick's, the art store. They don't carry the urethane expanding foam, and the silicone mold is pretty darn expensive. Might have to find an online source.
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Old Nov 19, 2009, 03:16 PM
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Here's my dilemma. I like building model airplanes. I'd love to make some dummy pilots. Most of my models do not have pilots because most of what's offered are heavy and sometimes very ugly. I could use at least 4 or 5 busts. But for me to make a clay plug, make a mold, and make a part, not to mention running around trying to pick up the necessary materials is just too time consuming. That sounds a little screwy because I do the very same thing when making a fiberglass cowl,... plug, mold, part, materials. But you just can't do everything (I'd sure like to). Though I doubt I could make a decent clay pilot myself.

So, I'm wondering why don't one of you very talented "Clay Carvers" make a nice generic set of pilots in various sizes, civilian, WWII, WWI, and make a cottage industry of foam figures. Once the mold is made it would be very fast turnaround. The pilot wouldn't even have to be in extreme detail I'm seeing in this thread. Just something respectable, and light. Let the modeler paint them and add any minor detail as desired.

One of you talented guys think about it. Let me know when I can buy one. I have a list of pilots I need.

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Old Nov 19, 2009, 03:35 PM
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http://www.smooth-on.com/Rigid-and-F...122/index.html

I think I'll get my supplies from here ^.

Fred, that's exactly what I plan to do. I have to offset the cost of my hobbies somehow!
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Old Nov 19, 2009, 03:38 PM
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Fred,
The idea is OK but....
The major cost of each pilot figure is the time to research and make the master figure and the silicone to make the mold, everything else is relatively cheap.
Once a mold is made it's a couple of minutes to mix the foam and an hour to let it set.
The cost of making a wide variety of pilots and sizes can get pretty high. My 1/9th scale RAF pilot has about two hours of time to make and about $20 in silicone for the mold. So if I were to do Civilian, WWI, WWII, Jet , 1/16, 1/12, 1/10, 1/8, 1/6, 1/5, 1/4 ,that would give me 28 to do which equals at least a solid week of work and $500 at least in materials. All on spec?
So, I don't think it's feasible that way.
It does make sense for someone to campaign for a particular pilot type and size and gather up a group order (say ten) to spread the cost and then for someone to make the master and mold and the individual pilots. That would get the cost down to around $10 for a small pilot and maybe $50 for a 1/4 scale full body pilot (plus shipping etc.) Once a mold was available the sculptor could make others as people requested them.
I certainly don't mind popping out a few of the 1/9 scale pilots I have and shipping them if I can get an order for a group of them and I was paid for the time and effort of making them and packaging and mailing them.

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Old Nov 19, 2009, 03:44 PM
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Warhead and I were typing at the same time.
Maybe we can spread the effort around and have one person sculpt the WWI and another the WWII etc.
Personally,I don't have the time or interest in becoming a production shop. I started this thread to get people interested in the idea of making your own detailed pilots or making a few for friends. If someone is willing to try and get a mini-business going out of this I'll be happy for them.

I'm onto making foam radial engines.....

Ivor
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Old Nov 19, 2009, 04:08 PM
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I'm doing 1/8, 1/9, and 1/10 scale... WWI, Golden Age, and Between-the-Wars... I prefer open-cockpit bipes. I got interested in doing this because I wanted a realistic pilot for my 1/9 scale Curtiss Goshawk (under repairs after recent crash). Also, I've been a good boy this year and hope to get the new E-Flite PT-17 Stearman... so I'll use the same pilot for that.

The materials are expensive... so I'll make as many molds as I can with my initial supply and if it proves to be worth my time I might start taking requests. I'll keep making mine with removable heads so I can mix and match heads and torsos for a variety of choices.

Radial engines would be great... might use resin instead of foam though.
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Old Nov 20, 2009, 07:23 AM
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You may want to check out here:

Polytek

or here:

Alumilite

for casting resins, foams and supplies.

Just a couple of bookmarks I had laying around.

Tom
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