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Old Oct 25, 2009, 07:18 AM
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The Santisima Trinidad (scratch) (1 : 50)

Hello everybody,

I'm Luc, my englisch is not very good so I'm going to show you a lot of picture and few text about the Santisima Trinidad built.
My name on the other forums is "newbie" because ive started with modeling december 2007.
After building the "Colin Archer" Billing Boats(static), my problem was that after spending a lot of hours, the people look 10 seconds to it and say nice.
My dream was to build an old 3-master real sailing ,so that people stopped with walking and enjoyd the vieuw on the lake.


june 2008 ,In 1 week I decieded tha I gone build the S.T. .

Before vieuwing some pictures ,a little bith of information about the S.T. .

Copied and paste from a topic " The Santisima Trinidad" from jack.aubrey on modelshipworld.

http://www.modelshipworld.com/phpBB2...isima+trinidad

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The 136-gun ship Sant́sima Trinidad

Nuestra senora de la Sant́sima Trinidad, meaning ‘Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity’, was the seventh ship to bear this name in the Spanish Royal Navy. The first Sant́sima Trinidad served with the great Armada sent by Philip II to invade England in 1588. The Trafalgar Sant́sima Trinidad was initially built as a three decked 120 gun ship designed by Matthew Mullen, although it has been suggested that her design could be attributed to Pedro de Acosta.
Irish by birth, Mullen had migrated to Spain from England with his son Igniatius in 1750 to take up a position in La Carraca dockyard at Cadiz. Mullen had been hired along with many others to improve Spanish ship design.
When Mullen married a Spanish noblewoman in 1754 they modified their names to Mateo and Ignacio Mullàn. Ignacio soon equalled his father as a ship designer and constructor.
On 11 November 1766 Mullàn received orders to supervise ship construction in the Royal Arsenal of Havana and, before his departure in April the following year, he submitted his plans for building a large 112 gun ship.
Once San Luis (80) had been launched at Havana on 30 September 1767 work on Mullàn’s ship began but he was never to see his concept materialise. Dying of the ‘black vomit’ on 25 November 1767, the design and construction of this great and yet unnamed ship was transferred to Ignacio.
Mullàn’s ship was named Nuestra Senora de la Sant́sima Trinidad by royal proclamation on 12 March 1768.
Built at a cost of 140,000 pesetas the Sant́sima Trinidad was launched at 11.30 a.m. on 3 March 1769.
Measuring almost 213.66 Burgos feet on the waterline and about 57.75 Burgos feet in breadth, some 360,000 cubic feet of timber was consumed in her construction. At 50 cubic feet per load, or tree, this volume of timber equates to 7,200 trees taken from about 120 acres of land.
Like all spanish ships built in Havana, the Sant́sima Trinidad was built with Cuban mahogany and cedar. Timber for her masts and spars was imported from the Baltic as the more local supply of pine from the forests of Mexico had already been depleted

Second episode of the Sant́sima Trinidad long history .....

Service Career

1769: Santiśma Trinidad was launched as a 120 gun ship at the Artillero Real (royal dockyard), Havana at 11.30 a.m. on 3 March and fitted for sea service. She received a royal order on 30 March to sail for El Ferrol, Spain.
Command of the ship was appointed to Captain Joaquin de Marguna Echezarreta who took up his post on 1 December.
Initially armed with just thirty-two 24 pounders and fourteen 12 pounders the ship was given a crew of 960 men.

1770: Ready for sea, Santiśma Trinidad sailed from Havana for El Ferrol on 19 February in company with the San Francisco de Paula, and anchored off Vigo on 12 April.
After repairing some damage to her fore and mizzen yards she sailed again on 9 May and entered El Ferrol six days later.
Between 21 July and 9 August Santiśma Trinidad underwent sea trials in company with the Guerrero and Santo Domingo.
While on trials she was armed with thirty 24 pounders on her lower gun deck, thirty-two 12 pounders on her upper gun deck, two 8 pounders and sixteen 6 pounders on her quarter deck and four three pounder stone mortars on her forecastle.
This gave her a single broadside weight of 998 pounds.
It was during these trials that serious concern were raised about her stability, for although she was carrying some 39,500 quintals (1,816 tonnes) of ballast, the ship listed so badly the she could not use her lower deck gun battery in calm water. After this the ship was then liad up in ordinary.

1771: On 14 March Santiśma Trinidad was taken into dock at El Ferrol to attempt to eliminate her stability problems. Besides fitting a deep false keel, the works undetaken to lower her centre of gravity and her metacentric height to improve her righting moment comprised lowering her deck housing and lowering the height of her decks. Besides this her stern post, rudder and various other items were modified including altering the steeve (angle) of her bowsprit.

1778: Placed in commission under the command of Captain Fernandoz Daóz, Santiśma Trinidad went to sea where on 7 August Daóz reported that she still continued to have stability problems.

1779: On 22 June Spain declared war to Britain and entered the American War of Independence. Still under the command of Captain Daóz, Santiśma Trinidad sailed fron Cadiz as the flagship of Lieutenant-General Don Luis de C̣rdoba, deployed as part of the French invasion fleet commanded by Admiral Comte d’Orvilliers.
As flagship of the observation squadron she had in company sixteen line of battle ships and two frigates. When the invasion plan was dissolved Sant́sima Trinidad then served as part of the Spanish fleet blockading Gibraltar.

1780: Still flying the flag of C̣rdoba, Sant́sima Trinidad was involved in a number of sorties between 9 and 18 July. On 31 July she took up station off Cape St Vincent.
While on this deployment she participated in the capture of a British convoy transporting troops and supplies to both Bombay and Jamaica on 9 August.

Another step in the history of this great ship ....

1781: C̣rdoba took Sant́sima Trinidad to sea again on 23 July and joined forces with the French fleet of 20 sail under Admiral the Comte de Guichen. Now comprising over 50 warships, the intention of this combined fleet was to recapture Minorca. Over the next few months Sant́sima Trinidad was involved in the capture of a British convoy off Sisargas and supported the blockade of Gibraltar from Algeciras. Returning to Cadiz on 23 September, Sant́sima Trinidad went into dock on 5 October to have her hull careened and her bottom coppered in compliance with recent legislation authorised by the Spanish navy.

1782: After Sant́sima Trinidad was undocked on 23 April she rejoined the combined Franco-Spanish fleet and took part in the battle against Admiral Lord Howe’s fleet off Cape Spartel on 20 October. During this action the ship suffered one man killed and four wounded.

1783: After peace had been signed on 23 April, Sant́sima Trinida returned to Cadiz where she was withdrawn from service although she remained under the command of Brigadier Pedro Autràn.

1796: Under Brigadier Rafael Orozco’s command and flying the flag of Admiral Juan Làngara, Sant́sima Trinidad sailed from Cadiz with a squadron for the Mediterranean, cruising off Corsica and Italy. Going into Toulon in November, she sailed again in October, escorting Rear-Admiral Villeneuve’s ship bound for Brest. Having cleared the convoy, Sant́sima Trinidad went into Cartagena on 20 December. Command of the Spanish squadron was now superseded by Leutenant-General Don Josè de C̣rdoba y Ramos who hoisted his flag in the Sant́sima Trinidad, although Orozco still held command of the ship.

1797: Receiving orders to sail for Cadiz, C̣rdoba put to sea on 1 February with his fleet, comprising 27 ships of the line, twelve frigates, a brigantine and some smaller vessels. After re-provisioning at Cadiz C̣rdoba’s fleet was to sail for Brest where it would join forces with the Dutch and French squadrons already assembled to invade England.
Besides Sant́sima Trinidad the other ship that had sailed from Cartagena with C̣rdoba on 1 February which would later fight at Trafalgar were Principe de Asturias (112), Neptuno (80), Bahama (74), and San Ildefonso (74).
The Spanish fleet fell in the Admiral Sir John Jervis squadron of 25 ships off Cape St Vincent on 14 February.
In the ensuing battle, Sant́sima Trinidad was simultaneously engaged under concentrated fire from the 74 gun ships Blenheim, Excellent, Irresistible and Orion.
Despite her greater size and firepower Sant́sima Trinidad would have struck her colours had it not been for the intervention of Real-Admiral Cisneros who arrived in time to give support and draw off British fire.
Under fire for nearly five hours, Santisima Trinidad sustained heavy damage, she was totally dismasted and her larboard side had been virtually destroyed.
Moreover she had been hulled by 60 round shot below the waterline causing her to take in three feet of water per hour. Her casualties amounted to 69 dead and 407 wounded.
While C̣rdoba transferred his flag into the frigate Diana, Sant́sima Trinidad under jury masts was partially escorted by the frigate Mercedes towards Cadiz.
After losing contact with Mercedes the ship was sighted by another British squadron en route. To avoid action, Captain Orozco hoisted British colours above the Spanish so the patrolling ships would think she had British prisoners on board. The subterfuge worked and the ship was able to get into Zafi, Morocco, where she remained until making sail again on 28 February.
That night Sant́sima Trinidad was attacked by the frigate Terpsichore which was driven off by her four 24 and 36 pounder stern chase guns. She received more damage and suffered one man killed and five wounded.
Sant́sima Trinidad finally reached Cadiz on 3 March.
Once in port Admiral Josè de Mazarredo, captain-general of Cadiz, questioned Santisima Trinidad ability in battle against smaller ships. Having also found her unseaworthy, Mazarredo proposed that Sant́sima Trinidad be beached at Cadiz as a defensive gun platform.
Mazarredo’s recommendations were however overruled and the great ship was refitted and laid up until 1804.

1799: Because she had been extensively damaged during the battle of St. Vincent, Sant́sima Trinidad had to go into dock in February for extensive repairs and was thoroughly careened.
While in dock she was modified by extending her planking between the quarter deck and forecastle to mount more guns and consequently became the world’s only four-decked fighting ship, although this alteration further compromised her sailing quality and handiness.
Already a colossal three-decked ship of 120 guns with a broadside weight of 1,204 pounds when built, she now had 16 additional gun ports.
When rearmed on 12 February this allowed her to mount six 4 pounder carriage guns in her waist and ten 24 pounder carronades on her forecastle.
This increased her a total broadside weight of fire by 132 pounds to 1,530 pounds. In all her firepower was 25 per cent greater than Nelson’s Victory.
Sant́sima Trinidad’s dimensions at this time ware recorded as follows:

Length of the range of the gun deck: 63.36 m.
Length of keel for tonnage: 54.02 m
Extreme breadth: 16.67 m
Depth in hold: 8.26 m
Floor of the hold: 8.57 m
Displacement: 2,475 tons
Ballast: 20,000 quintals
Complement: 1096
Ordnance – lower gun deck: 32 x 36 pounders
Ordnance – third gun deck: 34 x 24 pounders
Ordnance – second gun deck: 36 x 12 pounders
Ordnance – quarter deck: 18 x 8 pounders
Ordnance – waist: 4 x 4 pounder howitzers
Ordnance – forecastle: 10 x 24 pounder carronades
Single broadside weight: 1,300 pounds

Note: Clowes lists Sant́sima Trinidad as being armed with 130 guns which implies that the ship did not have the six 4 pounder carriage guns mounted in her waist until after 1797; therefore her broadside weight would have been marginally less than 1,530 pounds at this time.

1804: When Spain allied herself to France and entered the war against Britain, Napoleon virtually doubled the size of his operational navy to support his plan to invade England. Fitted for sea Sant́sima Trinidad was placed in commission under the command of Don Francisco Javier de Uriarte y Borja.

1805: Lying in Cadiz harbour ready to sail with Villeneuve’s combined fleet, Sant́sima Trinidad clearly stood out from her consorts.

Besides having four gun decks, her sides were painted, according to Lieutenant William Lovell serving on British Neptune (98-gun) at Trafalgar, ‘ …. with four distinct lines of red, with a white ribbon between them [U]…. ’.


After hoisting the flag of Rear-Admiral Bàltasar Hidalgo de Cisneros, Sant́sima Trinidad sailed from Cadiz with the combinet fleet on 19 October, Captain Uriarte in command.
Only Santa Ana (112) with her completely black hull could equal her majestic appearance.
mvg Luc
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Old Oct 25, 2009, 07:32 AM
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My place in the basement.

In vol ornaat :






I used a 10mm triplex
the first spant is 30cm on 30 cm



dryfit (first impression).

for fun a bottle of water. 1.5liter













Cutting of the lion in MDF.

after a copple of hours.














the result













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Old Oct 25, 2009, 09:59 AM
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Welcome Luc, That is a very nice start for a build. It looks like it will be very challenging to make sail though. Since you are new, I suggest looking at this building and sailing thread- http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520465 -
It is all about the same or similiar types of ships and will help you a lot. We look forward to seeing your build. Keep posting pictures. Good Luck!
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Old Oct 27, 2009, 04:39 PM
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Thank you 1967250s

glued everything on place




started with the stern.
watch the curve.





hole for moving the rudder






another vieuw



supports



her come the mast in



the deck



Dryfit with the plan








everything filled up with balsa 2cm.










pipe for the waterpump






























Finished.
Now we are starting with planking the hull
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TOO COOL! Awesome work man.
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A jet drive - that's interesting. I've seen a lot of references to sailing models with water-pump drives for auxiliaries, but I've never seen one set up.
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Old Nov 02, 2009, 04:32 AM
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THx grouch.
Thx Jerry. I hope ive got enough power with the sails on.The boat was designed without working sails,because they say to me that it can't be done with working sails.
Now i now better.

next step.

drawing 100 cannon?? on the hull.




cut out the plan and fixed it tho the hull









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test planking



depth 3mm






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planking the hull













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balsblocks on the stern and bow,shapping in the form.



















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solution of the bow








planking the hull.








buis voor boegspriet





allignement




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making the stern




mm-work



(woodthiknes of the windows is 1mm)


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starting also with the gallery.








inside picture



dryfit







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placed 2 windows



total vieuw



finished the door

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more work on the gallery

















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Has the wife noticed her beaded necklace is missing yet?
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