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Old Mar 19, 2012, 08:49 AM
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wow welp after doing an intense research on FBL's I think i'll stick to the flybar, I'm not a perfectionist so the FBL i guess won't be for me. It looks to complicated to setup and get going first time. Most of all the mechanical setup must be A1 and secondly the electronics must be compatible. So after hearing all those things I think I'll just get the quark. I might even try the HB790 gyro. I'm going to leave it to that.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with FBL, but I just don't think it would be for me.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 08:59 AM
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I think you are a perfectionist and that is why you are sticking to FB. The biggest point people bring up after switching is getting use to just letting the gyros take control or your lack of control at center stick. I just don't have a working one yet. Still plagued with one problem after another. Got my all new head for my 450, but now waiting on pro swash so the ball ends don't bind. I do have a S bus rx on it's way so now I need a beast, 3gx, or Ace 3 axis to go with it.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 09:36 AM
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wow welp after doing an intense research on FBL's I think i'll stick to the flybar, I'm not a perfectionist so the FBL i guess won't be for me. It looks to complicated to setup and get going first time. Most of all the mechanical setup must be A1 and secondly the electronics must be compatible. So after hearing all those things I think I'll just get the quark. I might even try the HB790 gyro. I'm going to leave it to that.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with FBL, but I just don't think it would be for me.
Yeah, that's the downside of going flybarless, but even when the true necessity is less, the benefit of a perfect mechanical setup and good mix of electronics is about the same with a flybar heli.

Faster flips and rolls, more smooth control, less swash plate setup related drift, less gyro related issues, you name it. It all adds up anyway.

By the way which gyro do you mean with HB790 gyro? Got a link?

I do have a couple more Tarot ZYX units and heads coming soon though. They're basically too cheap to really pass on, while they seem to be working just fine.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 11:05 AM
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when i switched to FBL (beastx from GY401) i was amazed at how simple it is. The beastx worked as stock on my 250 and 450, very little adjustment needed.

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Old Mar 19, 2012, 11:20 AM
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That's because it's not necessarily more difficult to set up, assuming you've got the mechanical setup done correctly anyway.

Then it's just a matter of following the manual really.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 12:14 PM
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Yeah, that's the downside of going flybarless, but even when the true necessity is less, the benefit of a perfect mechanical setup and good mix of electronics is about the same with a flybar heli.

Faster flips and rolls, more smooth control, less swash plate setup related drift, less gyro related issues, you name it. It all adds up anyway.

By the way which gyro do you mean with HB790 gyro? Got a link?

I do have a couple more Tarot ZYX units and heads coming soon though. They're basically too cheap to really pass on, while they seem to be working just fine.

Yep sure, apparently it's a quark clone, if yours arrives before mine, let us know if that is true.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1605701
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 12:19 PM
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I think you are a perfectionist and that is why you are sticking to FB. The biggest point people bring up after switching is getting use to just letting the gyros take control or your lack of control at center stick. I just don't have a working one yet. Still plagued with one problem after another. Got my all new head for my 450, but now waiting on pro swash so the ball ends don't bind. I do have a S bus rx on it's way so now I need a beast, 3gx, or Ace 3 axis to go with it.
nah I'm not a perfectionist. If i was, i wouldn't be here. But the main reasons are exactly what i said before. Here are the downers

1. The heli must be A1 mechanical
2. It is important to have a highly compatible cyclic and tail servos
3. It's a very fragile setup, one hard smack on the ground and she is off balance.

Don't get me wrong there are a lot more pros than cons, but you must be able to adhere to the cons to benefit from the pros.

This is what I've seen from people going through the FBL journey. Try it and you will know what I mean. It's either for you or it's not. I know what the outcome will be, but I'd rather wait and see.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 12:22 PM
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when i switched to FBL (beastx from GY401) i was amazed at how simple it is. The beastx worked as stock on my 250 and 450, very little adjustment needed.

Ian
Fbl is made for you.

I could see what's starting to happen in this hobby, it's being split into 2 categories.
Fbl pilots and FB pilots
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 05:41 PM
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Yep sure, apparently it's a quark clone, if yours arrives before mine, let us know if that is true.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1605701
Will do, although I haven't actually placed an order yet. I might do so in the future and then I'll let you know. At the moment I'm waiting for another batch of Tarot ZYX gyros to arrive.

The more I think about it, the more I think the Align GP790 might well be my next buy. A friend of mine already flies one on his 250 and loves it. Very stable and a rock solid hold, but obviously not really that cheap.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 06:51 PM
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Fbl is made for you.

I could see what's starting to happen in this hobby, it's being split into 2 categories.
Fbl pilots and FB pilots
Well, I'm interested in FBL for the 250 because, as I understand, it dampens the effects of wind gusts.

But tell me. What cyclic servos should I use? I'm kind of confused about how high of a torque I need.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 07:25 PM
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Well, I'm interested in FBL for the 250 because, as I understand, it dampens the effects of wind gusts.

But tell me. What cyclic servos should I use? I'm kind of confused about how high of a torque I need.
That is a very good question, I first thought the 922mg was a good choice, but now from what I've read about them with the Tarot ZYX, it can be tricky to use. We just gotta rely on our friends here who has the Tarot ZYX with a good cyclic and tail combo feedback. Uhm bf i think is using align on the cyclics and mks on the tail, don't quote me on that, it's been awhile since i heard from him. As for the HK's fast orange servos sp00fman was suppose to try them and give feedback, i guess everyone's been busy.

The FBL has a lot of pros, but i'm trying to weigh up the scales, with the cons, is it really worth it. Are we all just a bit scared on taking the plunge, because it's something new. Perhaps may be I'm just in my little square of flybar and I feel safe because I know how to work with it, and FL is just a stranger.
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 08:03 PM
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I have three aligns from rc711 that should be here this week for mine.
http://www.rc711.com/shop/align-ds41...?cPath=249_248
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 08:10 PM
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That is a very good question, I first thought the 922mg was a good choice, but now from what I've read about them with the Tarot ZYX, it can be tricky to use. We just gotta rely on our friends here who has the Tarot ZYX with a good cyclic and tail combo feedback. Uhm bf i think is using align on the cyclics and mks on the tail, don't quote me on that, it's been awhile since i heard from him. As for the HK's fast orange servos sp00fman was suppose to try them and give feedback, i guess everyone's been busy.

The FBL has a lot of pros, but i'm trying to weigh up the scales, with the cons, is it really worth it. Are we all just a bit scared on taking the plunge, because it's something new. Perhaps may be I'm just in my little square of flybar and I feel safe because I know how to work with it, and FL is just a stranger.
Yep, spot on, pitchp. I have 3 Align DS410's on my 250 ZYX and they're working well after many flights.

I'm also using 3 Ino-lab D202HB's on my Gaui X2 ZYX and these seem to be working well also.

I also have 3 DS410M's on my Align 450 Sport using a crossflashed CX-3X1000 (to ZYX) and 3 DS410M's on my ALZRC 450 Pro 3GYS, and they're performing very well also.
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I have three aligns from rc711 that should be here this week for mine.
http://www.rc711.com/shop/align-ds41...?cPath=249_248
FYI, note about avoiding burnout.
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/p...oducts_id=3788
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 09:54 AM
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Well, I'm interested in FBL for the 250 because, as I understand, it dampens the effects of wind gusts.
Yes, as far as the 250 being a not-so stable and pretty touchy helicopter, especially in wind gusts and without ultra high headspeeds, converting a 250 to flybarless will really make it a lot more stable and more comfortable to fly.
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