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Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:31 PM
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2. why oh why do they still have a plug-in module for the 2.4GHz circuitry? Surely we're getting close to the point where people want/demand dedicated 2.4Ghz radios with no legacy compromises?

flexibility of 2.4 suppliers. $20 receivers for park fliers?
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Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:33 PM
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Maybe they want to have an upgrade path open in case something better than 2.4 comes along?

I can't believe some of you are already making judgments based on some photos and specs. I will withhold my opinion until I have one in my hand to play with.
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Old Oct 07, 2009, 07:20 PM
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2. why oh why do they still have a plug-in module for the 2.4GHz circuitry? Surely we're getting close to the point where people want/demand dedicated 2.4Ghz radios with no legacy compromises?
If it is a legacy module interface based on PPM then you are right. I bet it is a digital interface to the module (like the Aurora9 and I think the 12X have for their modules) which delivers the same latency performance as an integrated Tx. It seems most unlikely they would have silpped up here.
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Old Oct 07, 2009, 07:26 PM
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What about the physical compromise?

There's a perfectly good antenna position built into the radio but they provide a module with the antenna hanging off the back of it.

Just make it a 2.4GHz radio and be damned!
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Old Oct 07, 2009, 07:47 PM
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Ah but DSM2 is not legal in Japan and DSMJ is not legal in some other geographies so to make it a global platform a modular approach is best. Plus it leaves open the option for adapting to new RF solutions such as 900MHz for example. I really see nothing wrong with a modular Tx so long as it has a digital interface (no latency penalty) and a sensible antenna solution (no snaggy cables and no resting on the RF connector or antenna elbow). When it comes to antenna location, some prefer the traditional orifice but many don't mind the one at the rear
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Old Oct 07, 2009, 08:11 PM
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XJet,

JR (Japan) will no doubt offer the system as a native 2.4 GHz for the export market. Think of the 12X, when that first appeared, that was modular (and in fact still is in one sense). Japan will always have it so that the normal 41/72 MHz can be used in their own market with the option of going 2.4 GHz.

From what I have seen, it uses the exact same module as the DSX12 (12X 2.4).

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Old Oct 07, 2009, 08:15 PM
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japanese to english translation

some japanese to english translation




Quote:
Originally Posted by Roryw
● Saboribasu --- servo reverse
● trim sub
● Program MIX: 6 lines /
Curved lines in selectable MIX3 (EXP with)
● Model Name: up to 10 characters
● failsafe
● System Trainer: Type 2 can be selected
● Select the device (with Tatchiserekuto)--(with touch-selector)
● SD card slot
● Sutikkupojishonsuitchi--- (stick position switch)
Right rudder adjustment ●
● Adobansudejitarutorimu: F.M. every---(advanced digital trim)
● Step Trim / Trim Type
● DSC / Trainer Jack
● Furaitomodonemu: Up to 6 characters---(flightmode name)
● Various alarm timer: 3 channels
● Switch Type: 3 selectable types
● 4 grayscale LCD with backlight
My list features ●
● Monitor mixing
● D / R &: EXP: 2 Division: F.M. every
● Speed Servo: 2 split
Stick with tension adjustment ●
● Switch Model: copy: 30 minutes Machine
● Detairezu---data erase
● Servo Monitor: With the test function
● Copy data (TX in)
(TX ← → TX) (TX ← → SD)
● adjust limit
● Simple configuration features
● Hold Servo All
※ ※ FM every new feature red letters ... each flight mode

Helicopter Functions
● Flight mode: Up to 6 lines
● curved tail: 5 strains
Multipoint (EXP with)
● MIX throttle
● Setting the governor: F.M. every
● Throttle curve: up to 5 lines
Multipoint (EXP with)
● Hold the throttle: with auto-cut
● Suwasshutaipu: 6 types (140 compatible)---(swash type)
● Furaitomododirei----(flightmode delay)
● Pitch curve: up to 6 lines
Multipoint (EXP with)
● Gyro sensitivity setting: sensitivity up to 6 lines /
GAIN tail lock system up to 6
With Jairogeindirei---(with gyro gain delay)
(G7000T only)
※ ※ FM every new feature red letters ... each flight mode

Feature plane
● Flight mode: Up to 3 lines
● curved tail: 5 strains
Multipoint (EXP with)
● AILE → RUDD MIX
● AILE → FLAP MIX
● wing type setting: with differential
● Throttle curve: two strains
Multipoint (EXP with)
● Hold the throttle (when the twin-engine configuration)
● ELEV → FLAP MIX
● flap system (direct input)
● Aidoruajasutomento---(idel adjustment)
● curve pitch: 2 strains
Multipoint (EXP with)
● Gyro sensitivity setting: Up to 3 lines / with delay
● RUDD → AILE / ELEV MIX
● Sunappuroru: four independent lines---(snap roll)
※ ※ FM every new feature red letters ... each flight mode

Glider features
● Flight mode: up to 5 lines
● RUDD → SPOI MIX: F.M. every
● AILE → RUDD MIX
● Furaitomododirei---(flight mode delay)
● wing type setting: with differential
● Brake System
● ELEV → CAMB MIX: F.M. every
● Hold the throttle (when the twin-engine configuration)
● Purapperon MIX: F.M. per / ---flapferon mix
With Furappurebaofusetto---(flap lever offset)
● Motahorudo (with delay)---(motor hold)
● Aidoruajasutomento---idle adjustment
● AILE → RUDD MIX:
F.M. each (with breaks)
● Rate flap: F.M. every
● RUDD → AILE / ELEV MIX
● Type Wing
※ ※ FM every new feature red letters ... each flight mode

set & price
12ch Receiver RD1231 No.03420
RD1231 price alone
34,650 yen (including tax 33,000)
● Ekusutoraantena: EA131 3 ---extra antenna
● Antenna cable:
230/300/450mm (each book)
● Baindopuragu--- bind plug

9ch receiver RD931 No.03419
RD1231 price alone
29,400 yen (including tax 28,000)
● Ekusutoraantena: EA131 2----exta antenna
● Antenna cable:
230/300mm (each bottle)
● Baindopuragu---bind plug

RD1231_12chset for air DSMJ method: Set the receiver for airplanes 12ch
No.00917/P11ADTR 88,200 yen (including tax 84,000)
Method for heli DSMJ: receiver set for helicopter 12ch
No.00918/P11HDTR 88,200 yen (including tax 84,000)

RD1231_12chset for air DSMJ method: Set the receiver for airplanes 9ch
No.00915/P11ADTRL 84,000 yen (80,000 yen including tax)
Method for heli DSMJ: receiver set for helicopter 9ch
No.00916/P11ADTRL 84,000 yen (80,000 yen including tax)
Common content set [all] ● TX power accessories: 8H1500 ● Charger: NEC-501C
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Old Oct 07, 2009, 09:38 PM
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some of those romanjii/japenglish words are really brightening my day =D.
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 03:19 AM
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not to be taken as a criticism against the radio, which it would be unfair to criticize based on the complete lack of data, but is anyone else feeling like:

"t minus 5 days to disappointment"?

=D

hopefully it doesn't come to pass
disappointment achieved.

the 11X isn't starting from zero, not from the computerization perspective at least.

I don't know if they'll find a market for it anywhere above the current 9303 pricing area. more channels, but very little finesse in terms of curve definitions or mixing.
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 03:52 AM
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well I am waiting for the word on its' speed etc... If it is as fast as my DX7-SE with some more features and feels like a less "plasticy" radio, I may jump.... I was hoping for more then the basic infor for sure.
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 08:51 AM
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I like the modules system. If they went native only and you own the Japan version or the US, you may not be able to use it everywhere.

I like the idea that I can choose which transmission I want to use and if I want to upgrade later.

Nice design. The only thing I do not like is the sliders on the back.

When they are on the side, can they be moved any easier? Is that why they went that route?

As for speed, we have lived with the latency of 72mHz for so long and that didn't really bother anyone so why should it now? For me at least, I cannot appreciate the improvement yet but hopefully I attain the skill you guys have to be able to take advantage of it. also, if it is trully a digital interface, it may stillbe faster than 72 much like the 12X.

when will they announce the US version?

I always felt that the Skektrum module was just a way for Jr to get into the 2.4 gHz market. I never felt it was the end. To me, Jr always takes time coming out with stuff but it when it does it is usually the best example of that technology on the market.

We will see what is coming down the pipeline.....

Frank
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 09:41 AM
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I switched from Kraft radios to JR when they were first imported here. I have always purchased the 'top of the line' and they have never given me problems. Have been flying my 'old' JR 10X with the 2.4 module and it is still problem free after many years of service.

Like Honda autos, Whatever JR comes out with, I will buy.
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 09:51 AM
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honestly, I'm kind of in opposition to that trend.

the 12X has, imo, the closest to the optimal solution.

plenty of model memory, even the 9303's 30 is a pretty reasonable number. then, allow the TX to be cabled up to a computer, and save the memory files to the computer.

apparently, and I've not seen this for myself, the 12X PC-software also allows you to edit radio programming from your PC.

that's a real good idea.

IMO, the SD cards are a step in the wrong direction.

(12FG owner, with an SD card slot).
SD.... look at other devices that use SD and have an advantage of functionality just because you can swap these.

Digital camerons started with connections and were quickly taken over by cameras that had commons swappable memory media.
The IPhone can't so you can't just share a file you have to connect to your PC or you have to go thru an Apple service etc.
My front USB ports are in use but my SD slot is always in place. To get to the back USB connectors now I'll ... have to ... get under .. my desk and .. I be back in minute....
SD is just media picked up by the applicable program. USB depending on the PC and how many are being used your pC may need to reconfigure. Don't get me wrong I want to have the ability to program from my PC rather than via the radio but to just make a save or swap or load a file???

SD please.
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 09:55 AM
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hopefully with the 11X they will actually enter into the 21st century.
Here here!!!
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Old Oct 08, 2009, 10:02 AM
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Uh Oh! The Cylons are getting angry



p.s. Thanks for the cool pics
Ok in Star Wars, Green and Blue Sabers were the good guys, red were the bad... Bad Cylon Does the light shift back and forth. That will settle if these are cyclons or not.
Just as long as it doesn't drain my TX quicker!

Well I have to say my money is now on hold to see what JR is planning. But reading further... the one thing I was hopeing for was better mixing... still just 6 mixes. Did they gethe pre programs working with the mixes better than in the 9303?
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