Kinkade Sure-Glide device - Page 3

Tres Wright · Oct 05, 2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by G-LO

You know I was thinking the same thing.That is when i really use to it in all, and when the flapping white starts to look like a T-shirt in the wind. Most definitely. But from a professional and knowing the properties the paint/ink has.

One of the local guys has a white Slow Hawk. It's not t-shirt white though, it is translucent. It's an interesting look for sure. I think you'll like it

Snrek, looks good! I'm looking forward to your maiden report

G-LO · Oct 05, 2009, 09:56 PM

Kris.How did it go!? Did you get to fly or were there some ruff spot to iron out? Or was it still windy? I hope it was a success! Ehy.....

the_only_kris_20 · Oct 05, 2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by G-LO

Kris.How did it go!? Did you get to fly or were there some ruff spot to iron out? Or was it still windy? I hope it was a success! Ehy.....

Flew it sunday but it was cold so i got poor performance from my lipos and it was getting dark so couldnt do much. should be real nice tomorrow will hopefully be making a trip to the field. Ill let everyone know how it goes. thanks

snrek · Oct 05, 2009, 10:34 PM

Hi All, I was going to wait until I flew mine to do any more posting but it seems like things have calmed down around here so I thought I would post a pick and a few comments. I received my servos today and finished putting my Hawk together. Pretty easy to assemble and I gotta say this thing is big! I have an E-Fite Ascent and even though the Glide Hawk’s W.S. is the same it seems much bigger. Could be the wing cord at the fuse being about 10” deeper or the flapping of the wings by my head but either way I am a little nervous about letting this thing loose at the park! After work the soccer kids start showing up around 4:00pm and I would be leery of trying my bird out then so I am hoping for an early morning test flight this Saturday. The kids start showing up around 8:00am but this gives me a little time before they start. I probably won’t get the performance from my battery I would have in warmer weather but I’ll take what I can get. Sorry for the dark picture.
-Rick

G-LO · Oct 05, 2009, 11:14 PM

Kris glad you got it up! At least you tried..good try..good try! There's always tomorrow!.....MAn where you at? Is it THAT cold...you're in Canada..or something..? Well..I guess you gotta rap them up next time..I guess

SNREK!!!!! THAT BIRD LOOKS AMAZING!!!..even in the dark! we knew that color scheme would look good...Sean and his Wife did a Heck of a job on that bird..that's for sure! I would love to see some footage.

the_only_kris_20 · Oct 05, 2009, 11:21 PM

I am in ohio but it was like 45degrees at the field last night and dummy me left the battery out on the picnic table for about an hour needless to say that lipo didnt like the cold too well. It was very promising and ill get her up tomorrow for sure.
Snrek dont worry too much its gonna fly great but like others have told be sure to take a paper clip with you for balancing. Mine seemed to have a tendency to turn to the left but i will know more tomorrow night hopefully.

G-LO · Oct 05, 2009, 11:44 PM

OH..,I SEE!!... I'm glad you reminded me about the paper clips. When all said-n-done i'll be taking that with me.
What batteries are yall taking to the field? I'm taking 900mah,1000mah and my 1320mah 2 cells with me.

the_only_kris_20 · Oct 06, 2009, 12:03 AM

well until my batteries get here ill be taking a 1050mah 2 cell. i ordered some 1000mah 2 cell 30c lipos from hobby city will use those once they arrive.

Tres Wright · Oct 06, 2009, 10:38 AM

Kris, did Sean tell you to run 2 cells? I got a Shrike from Nathan and it appears these newer birds all use a different brushed motor. The Gen II motors were externally brushed motors and required 3 cells to fly well. People tried 2 cells on them and they were underpowered. Not sure about these new motors though.

Snrek, you are on the right track as far as maidening with no one around. These birds are very gentle flyers once trimmed out, but you never know what's going to happen on the first flight. My SH took full right rudder just to fly straight, it was a struggle to get it down without piling it in. I initially tried swapping the diagonal rods and some other tricks, but couldn't get it balanced. I finally tried the paper clip method (the clamp-type clip) and it worked great. If the bird is pulling right, the clip goes on the left wing and vice versa. It takes a few test flights to get it in just the right place, basically I just flew it for a few minutes and if it was still pulling I landed, moved the clip and tried again. Once it was flying straight and true with no TX trim required, I took the "handles" off the clip and left the clamp in place.

the_only_kris_20 · Oct 06, 2009, 12:08 PM

Yes sean said to use two cells. These birds have the brushless motors on them i forget the kv on them but i know seans climbs like crazy on two cells.

Tres Wright · Oct 06, 2009, 02:40 PM

Ah, I see. My new Shrike has a brushed motor on it that is different than the Gen II brushed motors. I'll run it up on the Whattmeter to see if it needs 2 cells or 3.

RKIRCHNER · Oct 06, 2009, 03:11 PM

I just bought a brushed Slowhawk 2 from Nathan. What kind of out put will you be looking for on the watt meter? Rick

snrek · Oct 06, 2009, 05:35 PM

My first flight was exciting and short. I couldn’t wait until this weekend and my after work options aren’t to good, at least for now, after I get comfy flying this one I’m sure I’ll be able to fly when other people are at the park. Anyway I decided to do the next best thing….Went over on my lunch break today. I ran the throttle up to a little over half and gave the hawk a nice toss. It started dropping so I gave it full throttle. I had launched it at about 45 degrees to the headwind (2/3 mph) and when I turned into the wind it really started climbing. My first turn caused a pretty good drop in altitude and my second turn (into the down wind direction) had to come right after the first turn because of how the flying area is set up, this caused another drop, then I did what I do best sometimes, that is I started over correcting and things never did get going well and the hawk just sort of dropped the last 20 feet making solid contact with earth! I broke one of the wing spars. I spoke with Sean a little while ago, mainly to see if I could replace the solid CF rod with hollow because I can’t locate the solid locally. My plan at this point is to get the hollow rod and insert a solid CF rod the entire length. I may need to do both sides to keep things equal but for now I will be repairing the one side. Even though my maiden flight was short and I managed to break a spar rod the hawk is really well built.

I am currently using an off brand 800mah 2-cell. They are not rated very high, 10C with short 15C bursts but I have several of them and they are pretty light. I put the C.G. just a little forward of the suggested mark, I may move it back before my next flight.

Tres Wright · Oct 06, 2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RKIRCHNER

I just bought a brushed Slowhawk 2 from Nathan. What kind of out put will you be looking for on the watt meter? Rick

Hey Rick, yours is probably an SH3, does it have equal-sized final gears on both sides of the body? My SH2 drew around 8 amps at WOT on the brushed motor before I put the Axi on it. I'm thinking it will take at least 5 or 6 amps at WOT to get good performance out of it, any less than that and it probably won't climb very well (and particularly may not have any reserve power for "getting out of trouble"). Let us know what you find out if you test yours

What color did you get? After I got the new Shrike I placed another order with Nathan for a 2nd SH. My older one is midnight (dark blue) with yellow trim, the new one is red with black trim. It's actually for my son, he's only 6 but I have dreams of the two of us flying SH's in formation some day

He's getting his feet wet with smaller ornis right now, he has an iFly Vamp and the indoor astronaut orni (forget the name).

Tres Wright · Oct 06, 2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snrek

My first flight was exciting and short. I couldn’t wait until this weekend and my after work options aren’t to good, at least for now, after I get comfy flying this one I’m sure I’ll be able to fly when other people are at the park. Anyway I decided to do the next best thing….Went over on my lunch break today. I ran the throttle up to a little over half and gave the hawk a nice toss. It started dropping so I gave it full throttle. I had launched it at about 45 degrees to the headwind (2/3 mph) and when I turned into the wind it really started climbing. My first turn caused a pretty good drop in altitude and my second turn (into the down wind direction) had to come right after the first turn because of how the flying area is set up, this caused another drop, then I did what I do best sometimes, that is I started over correcting and things never did get going well and the hawk just sort of dropped the last 20 feet making solid contact with earth! I broke one of the wing spars. I spoke with Sean a little while ago, mainly to see if I could replace the solid CF rod with hollow because I can’t locate the solid locally. My plan at this point is to get the hollow rod and insert a solid CF rod the entire length. I may need to do both sides to keep things equal but for now I will be repairing the one side. Even though my maiden flight was short and I managed to break a spar rod the hawk is really well built.

Sorry to hear it didn't go so well! I broke a rod or two on my YH, it's been a few years but I know I broke at least one until I was able to get it trimmed and flying right. So welcome to the broken spar club

I wouldn't fly it with only one side repaired and the other side stock because if there's any difference in rod stiffness between the two sides it's really going to throw off the bird's balance.

Based on my many SH flights I would suggest staying off the controls on launch until you get a fair bit of altitude. Until it has a little speed going, directional inputs (especially up elevator) tend to slow it to near-stall. Launch it straight into the wind and let it climb on its own using minimal stick input to keep it into the wind. Launch it level or slightly nose up, but don't launch it high alpha. Sounds like your launch went fine, but I'm putting this here for the benefit of others who may need the info as well

You mentioned it dropping altitude in the turns, sounds like the tail angle may be too steep. The first few flights on my YH went terribly because I had the tail too high, it couldn't build enough speed to fly well. Too much tail angle ("up" elevator) will not induce a nose-up attitude on these birds like it does on a plane, it just slows them waaaaay down and makes them fly sloppy. You might try adjusting the tail down slightly for the next flight.

Good luck!

Oct 05, 2009, 10:34 PM	#34
snrek Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 316	Hi All, I was going to wait until I flew mine to do any more posting but it seems like things have calmed down around here so I thought I would post a pick and a few comments. I received my servos today and finished putting my Hawk together. Pretty easy to assemble and I gotta say this thing is big! I have an E-Fite Ascent and even though the Glide Hawk’s W.S. is the same it seems much bigger. Could be the wing cord at the fuse being about 10” deeper or the flapping of the wings by my head but either way I am a little nervous about letting this thing loose at the park! After work the soccer kids start showing up around 4:00pm and I would be leery of trying my bird out then so I am hoping for an early morning test flight this Saturday. The kids start showing up around 8:00am but this gives me a little time before they start. I probably won’t get the performance from my battery I would have in warmer weather but I’ll take what I can get. Sorry for the dark picture. -Rick Attached Thumbnails 25.6 KB · Views: 38

Oct 05, 2009, 11:44 PM	#37
G-LO Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Va.Beach VA. Posts: 83	OH..,I SEE!!... I'm glad you reminded me about the paper clips. When all said-n-done i'll be taking that with me. What batteries are yall taking to the field? I'm taking 900mah,1000mah and my 1320mah 2 cells with me. Last edited by G-LO; Oct 06, 2009 at 05:04 PM.

Oct 06, 2009, 05:35 PM	#43
snrek Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 316	My first flight was exciting and short. I couldn’t wait until this weekend and my after work options aren’t to good, at least for now, after I get comfy flying this one I’m sure I’ll be able to fly when other people are at the park. Anyway I decided to do the next best thing….Went over on my lunch break today. I ran the throttle up to a little over half and gave the hawk a nice toss. It started dropping so I gave it full throttle. I had launched it at about 45 degrees to the headwind (2/3 mph) and when I turned into the wind it really started climbing. My first turn caused a pretty good drop in altitude and my second turn (into the down wind direction) had to come right after the first turn because of how the flying area is set up, this caused another drop, then I did what I do best sometimes, that is I started over correcting and things never did get going well and the hawk just sort of dropped the last 20 feet making solid contact with earth! I broke one of the wing spars. I spoke with Sean a little while ago, mainly to see if I could replace the solid CF rod with hollow because I can’t locate the solid locally. My plan at this point is to get the hollow rod and insert a solid CF rod the entire length. I may need to do both sides to keep things equal but for now I will be repairing the one side. Even though my maiden flight was short and I managed to break a spar rod the hawk is really well built. I am currently using an off brand 800mah 2-cell. They are not rated very high, 10C with short 15C bursts but I have several of them and they are pretty light. I put the C.G. just a little forward of the suggested mark, I may move it back before my next flight. Attached Thumbnails 70.6 KB · Views: 39 31.9 KB · Views: 39

Oct 05, 2009, 09:56 PM	#32
G-LO Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Va.Beach VA. Posts: 83	Kris.How did it go!? Did you get to fly or were there some ruff spot to iron out? Or was it still windy? I hope it was a success! Ehy.....

Oct 05, 2009, 11:14 PM	#35
G-LO Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Va.Beach VA. Posts: 83	Kris glad you got it up! At least you tried..good try..good try! There's always tomorrow!.....MAn where you at? Is it THAT cold...you're in Canada..or something..? Well..I guess you gotta rap them up next time..I guess SNREK!!!!! THAT BIRD LOOKS AMAZING!!!..even in the dark! we knew that color scheme would look good...Sean and his Wife did a Heck of a job on that bird..that's for sure! I would love to see some footage.

Oct 05, 2009, 11:21 PM	#36
the_only_kris_20 Jets are my drug of choice! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wellsville, ohio Posts: 587	I am in ohio but it was like 45degrees at the field last night and dummy me left the battery out on the picnic table for about an hour needless to say that lipo didnt like the cold too well. It was very promising and ill get her up tomorrow for sure. Snrek dont worry too much its gonna fly great but like others have told be sure to take a paper clip with you for balancing. Mine seemed to have a tendency to turn to the left but i will know more tomorrow night hopefully.

Oct 06, 2009, 12:03 AM	#38
the_only_kris_20 Jets are my drug of choice! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wellsville, ohio Posts: 587	well until my batteries get here ill be taking a 1050mah 2 cell. i ordered some 1000mah 2 cell 30c lipos from hobby city will use those once they arrive.

Oct 06, 2009, 10:38 AM	#39
Tres Wright Live to ride... and fly! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney, TX Posts: 13,065	Kris, did Sean tell you to run 2 cells? I got a Shrike from Nathan and it appears these newer birds all use a different brushed motor. The Gen II motors were externally brushed motors and required 3 cells to fly well. People tried 2 cells on them and they were underpowered. Not sure about these new motors though. Snrek, you are on the right track as far as maidening with no one around. These birds are very gentle flyers once trimmed out, but you never know what's going to happen on the first flight. My SH took full right rudder just to fly straight, it was a struggle to get it down without piling it in. I initially tried swapping the diagonal rods and some other tricks, but couldn't get it balanced. I finally tried the paper clip method (the clamp-type clip) and it worked great. If the bird is pulling right, the clip goes on the left wing and vice versa. It takes a few test flights to get it in just the right place, basically I just flew it for a few minutes and if it was still pulling I landed, moved the clip and tried again. Once it was flying straight and true with no TX trim required, I took the "handles" off the clip and left the clamp in place.

Oct 06, 2009, 12:08 PM	#40
the_only_kris_20 Jets are my drug of choice! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wellsville, ohio Posts: 587	Yes sean said to use two cells. These birds have the brushless motors on them i forget the kv on them but i know seans climbs like crazy on two cells.

Oct 06, 2009, 02:40 PM	#41
Tres Wright Live to ride... and fly! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney, TX Posts: 13,065	Ah, I see. My new Shrike has a brushed motor on it that is different than the Gen II brushed motors. I'll run it up on the Whattmeter to see if it needs 2 cells or 3.

Oct 06, 2009, 03:11 PM	#42
RKIRCHNER Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 15	I just bought a brushed Slowhawk 2 from Nathan. What kind of out put will you be looking for on the watt meter? Rick