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[sgtdirt]

as for the Gee Bee and the Cub mid-air...i was standing right there when it happened. the two fellows didn't appear to be noobs as they where flying really nice planes (i.e. big $). i felt bad for both of the pilots but it only goes to show you that even the most experianced fliers crash and sometimes into each other. as far as the plane flying over the crowd and hitting the pole, i was the spotter for that one. pilot had a total lock out. that one was a heart breaker. it was his brand new Eflight PT-17.

if someone dosen't know the rules of the road, all they had to do is look at the hand-out when they registered.

[markusvt]

I think one was flying the pattern, and was not, but I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by sgtdirt

as for the Gee Bee and the Cub mid-air...i was standing right there when it happened. the two fellows didn't appear to be noobs as they where flying really nice planes (i.e. big $). i felt bad for both of the pilots but it only goes to show you that even the most experianced fliers crash and sometimes into each other. as far as the plane flying over the crowd and hitting the pole, i was the spotter for that one. pilot had a total lock out. that one was a heart breaker. it was his brand new Eflight PT-17.

if someone dosen't know the rules of the road, all they had to do is look at the hand-out when they registered.

[Tim Semeraro]

Originally Posted by markusvt

I think one was flying the pattern, and was not, but I could be wrong.

Yes one was flying reverse pattern, and it was a head on collision..last time I checked, there was no connection between having money and being a good pilot?

In my experance it's the Outher way around. Some off the rich guys are dangerous! They have all the money, and half the skill.
They buy the big cool stuff that's harder to fly. They don't have time to practic. And when they loose the plane they yell!" I lost it! Who's on my channel!" Well now it's! "I'm locked out!"

I'm amazed at how many 2.4g systems lock out? I have seen at least 5 this summer? If they "lock out" that much, how are they better?

Yes people can read the hand out, but they don't follow it. You can not disagree with the fact that people were not making there calls.

I did see that big EPP MsComposit wing kill that Outher plane, also.

[Yellowspider]

I have to say. Maybe I am the lucky one. Like I said before, I have been flying since 1989. AM,FM,PPM,PCM and now 2.4Ghz and to this day I can honestly say I have never had a glitch, radio failure, receiver failure or lockout. Maybe one time I think I may have had a little glitch in one spot in the air at a school I was flying at. I changed my pattern and all was fine. If I crashed (which I have many times) It was me that did it not the radio equipment. So IMOP, not that they cannot fail. But everytime I see a crash it is radio equip or someone turned on another transmitter. I belive it is 99.999% pilot error.
Dave

[Tim Semeraro]

Originally Posted by Yellowspider

I have to say. Maybe I am the lucky one. Like I said before, I have been flying since 1989. AM,FM,PPM,PCM and now 2.4Ghz and to this day I can honestly say I have never had a glitch, radio failure, receiver failure or lockout. Maybe one time I think I may have had a little glitch in one spot in the air at a school I was flying at. I changed my pattern and all was fine. If I crashed (which I have many times) It was me that did it not the radio equipment. So IMOP, not that they cannot fail. But everytime I see a crash it is radio equip or someone turned on another transmitter. I belive it is 99.999% pilot error.
Dave

Thanks Dave, That's was my point. There's no way I have seen that many radio failures. I've been involved in RC for 23 years, and I got serious about flying 3 years ago. I log 300-500 mins of flight time a week. All FM, and I have had glitching before and radio interferance,but I have always landed it. Luckily I have only had one bad crash and it was totaly my fault.

I just got the 2.4g Hitec conversion. I flew it at NEAT, and I have about 100 flights on the new rig, it works great! I have 3 more 2.4g recievers on order as I'll be upgrading my 4 main planes. I'll be keeping all of my smaller stuff on FM.

I have herd it takes 60 to 70 planes in the air at one time, before 2.4g radios get crossed.

[sgtdirt]

i can vouch for the lock out.
on the previouse lap before the lock out, he got hit at the South end of the field (final turn). when it happened we both said, "what was that?". when he came around to land on the next lap, he got hit in the same spot which caused the lock out.

[Tim Semeraro]

I do believe his was a lock out. I saw it go over the tent, and it was on glide.
I herd later it was a loose bec wire or something like that.

[Cr@sh]

Tim my good man, did ya find your "Expencive" tail wheel you lost ? I'm going to get a dress for everyone soon....why bicker over who's right and wrong about skill or money put into a bird. I've been flying years and everytime out ,I expect electronics to fail or dork one cause of pushing my flying skill. The south end had plenty of open field not even being used .I know newbies don't want to hit or crash there stuff while learning .The end at the south was perfect for staying out of the mix .After seeing the midair with opposite patterns even the best have bad days....we all drive there to "participate" no matter what skill. literature passed out, or on the forum has most aware of how it works weather your in a club or not ."RULES" suck and common sense should dictate how we play together now matter what hobby....rude behavior should be addressed if needed when safety is involved I was amazed with all the type of planes flying that there was not more wrecks. To many plans & rules can mess up a good thing .Like removing the diving boards from all the hotels because of insurance reason with safety ,I know can't bounce off the ceilings anymore doing flips because nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore .Again ....I watched the Gee bee midair , both had arms around each shoulder still friends.Castle had replaced a loss after going right threw this guys plane. lockouts, hardware issues and pilot skill regarding wrecks ,makes me wonder why they even got into the hobby or fly around others ,if there worried about there planes that much..I have a dress you can wear Please don't take personally cause I had a "GREAT TIME" at NEAT....and don't want to ban anything or change the freedom with what I enjoy so much. Hey, I packed 8 planes and didn't even fly. To busy shopping and havin fun !

[sgtdirt]

i too had a tremendous time.
if i offended or anyone or made it appear that i am 100% correct (i am not) i apologize.

i am one of those types of people that uses his hands and face along with the spoken word to communicate. typing is not my fortey.

[Tim Semeraro]

Again, I don't mean to offend anyone. I also speak with some levity, and its hard to convey that when typing.

My whole point is that people just need to follow the rules. They are there to insure we all have a fun, and safe time. I don't think, calling out your takeoffs , landing, rotation, and man on the field, is to much to ask.

If everyone was following the rules, and I lost a plane due to a midair I would not get mad, but if someone flew the wrong rotation strait into me. I would not be happy.

Again,If they flew at a club on a regular bases, they would follow these basic rules, and that head-on could have been avoided.

[Yellowspider]

Tim, I 100% agree on call outs. Planes hitting planes is one thing. They can be replaced. But someone getting hit by a 3 to 20lb plane would get ugly, might only leave a small mark to stitches and scars to worse. I always call out just before moving on the field. But NEVER EVER call out and then hold till its clear to go. I wait till its clear then call and go.
Dave

[antslake]

Yea, simple things following a pattern, and yelling out landing, or hand launch, or taking off, on the field, are real important when flying in that kind of environment. I was spotting for Dave Lockheart, and we yelled out "landing!" and just as he came in, someone took off without even saying anything, it was real close. When asked why they didn't say anything, the response was "cause I didn't hear you say landing" which made no sense at all.

When flying my projeti, I even yelled out "low pass!" cause flying a few feet off the deck at 120 deserves to be announced so others know. I also had someone spotting for me telling me if it was clear to do so. I never even came close to anyone. Plus years of R/C racing (since 87') has given me good peripheral vision, so if not for that, I probably wouldn't even attempt it. Least of all, I do not want to be come complacent with any skill I might have, and always follow rules, and err on the side of caution.

[Cr@sh]

Originally Posted by Tim Semeraro

Again, I don't mean to offend anyone. I also speak with some levity, and its hard to convey that when typing.

My whole point is that people just need to follow the rules. They are there to insure we all have a fun, and safe time. I don't think, calling out your takeoffs , landing, rotation, and man on the field, is to much to ask.

If everyone was following the rules, and I lost a plane due to a midair I would not get mad, but if someone flew the wrong rotation strait into me. I would not be happy.

Again,If they flew at a club on a regular bases, they would follow these basic rules, and that head-on could have been avoided.

Right on Tim, but rules ......common sense and respect for other fliers is basic when calling out ....Being on my clubs board for a while taught me I'm not the only one flying with "IDEAS" ! You gotta see my moon walk or drunken version when yelling ,on the runway . make it fun .Anything serious can mess up a hobby but respecting the fact your not the only one there ,and there was "ALOT there.....I still seen you having a blast We gotta hang next year. I do fly against the traffic when my buddies and me have our own "funfly" but not with anything we worry about crashing. I watched this guy put baby stroller wheels on a avistar and not just normal ones 5-1/2 inch.the two wheel kind so four wheels ,it looked sick,I was afraid to ask why when he told me he wanted to take off from tall grass. I wish I had that pic.Safety has my attention all the time cause I have stories for you ! Man I talk too much ...sorry i'll shut up !.....Ant, sorry about your pro jetti, I watched what happend ,ask me what happend to my tigermoth one day when it turned to confetti, "BEST CRASH" i'll ever see and never repeat again. look at this guys face ,he had fun !

[antslake]

Huh? nothing happened to my projeti. Well not this year anyway. About the only time I crash that thing is when launching. Luckily I had the guy who flew the Honda jet in the demos launching for me, and he has a great arm, and knew just what to do. He also spotted great.
Also thanks to the advice of Tom Hunt, I will be changing the angle of my motor to help with the projeti not wanting to nose dive on take-off.

[livinma1]

Originally Posted by Tim Semeraro

Yes one was flying reverse pattern, and it was a head on collision..last time I checked, there was no connection between having money and being a good pilot?

In my experance it's the Outher way around. Some off the rich guys are dangerous! They have all the money, and half the skill.
They buy the big cool stuff that's harder to fly. They don't have time to practic. And when they loose the plane they yell!" I lost it! Who's on my channel!" Well now it's! "I'm locked out!"

I'm amazed at how many 2.4g systems lock out? I have seen at least 5 this summer? If they "lock out" that much, how are they better?

Yes people can read the hand out, but they don't follow it. You can not disagree with the fact that people were not making there calls.

I did see that big EPP MsComposit wing kill that Outher plane, also.

Umm "LOCKOUT" huh Tim LOL.. That is why I fly in the parks now man.. I fly with a bunch of guys at that and when one of us crash we never blame lockouts. We just say dang I lost it or I dumbed thumbed it. I never had a issue with 72mhz and so far so good with 2.4 and I have been flying that for 2 years.

BTW: I fly both spektrum and fasst so no lockouts on either.