36" Shelly Foss build..revisited - Page 3

more coffee · Sep 18, 2009, 06:58 PM

I did it cheaper than that ..

I was cool here last night ..and I decided to light up the wood stove ..theres a nook that the basement door is in and its a high spot in the basement ...nail in wall ,hung the girl up ..got the fire going ..turned up the stove fan .. left the through door open..after an hour it was 38C up there where the boat was ..

..left it there all night ..this morning was much better ..and this evening she's solid as a rock ..

So thanks toes and dnchvs for calming the nerves .... once shes cleaned up and primed ..running gear in its place ..I'm gonna resin the inside as well ..

ozoneone · Sep 18, 2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by more coffee

OK ..tell me how its done !!!!!

well, i'm no expert. there's much better qualified out there on this forum. but my resin (from home depot) says 14 drops per oz. i used 7 fl oz. for my hull. 7 1" bristle brushes and 7 1 oz mixing cups. lay the cloth on dry, and work your way into corners and crevices. stop when the resin thickens and start a new batch. be sure where you stop the fg is flat against the wood. dries in about ten minutes. mix another batch and continue. when hull is covered, trim FG cloth and sand high spots and entire surface and then apply more resin until surface is uniform. try not to sand through the fg. if necessary, fill low spots with bondo and apply more resin. looks like you're well on your way. hopefully tomorrow will warm and dry so i may finish. good luck to both of us!

jjac · Sep 18, 2009, 08:50 PM

It will be easier on you if you will put one coat of resin on the wood first and let it cure out. The first coat seals the wood. After it is cured apply another thin coat, then apply the cloth and a wet coat on top of the cloth. By applying the cloth on top of a wet coat you are less likely to get air bubbles. While its still wet use a fiberglass roller and roll over the surface to get all of the air bubbles out.

ozoneone · Sep 18, 2009, 11:09 PM

wow. sounds like a good plan, but a lot of work. i have a seguin by midwest tug i built more than ten years ago by my method and pretty perfect finish with no problems so far. but your method sure seems thorough. no air bubbles if you work in small increments, and good adhesion directly into the fibers of the wood. whatever works!

more coffee · Sep 19, 2009, 09:52 AM

Another question

What do you guy's/gals use for a bulkhead fitting to hook up a fire monitor?

I had thought about flaring a piece of brass tube ..but its so thin i wouldnt be able to thread it to get a tight fit against the hull..also it wouldnt have a barbed fitting on the end ..meaning the hose would be at risk of comming of ..

Thinking i should use a screen or filter ..probabley one of those cheapie inline fuel filters at Wall Mart..you know the clear canister type...

jjac · Sep 19, 2009, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozoneone

wow. sounds like a good plan, but a lot of work. i have a seguin by midwest tug i built more than ten years ago by my method and pretty perfect finish with no problems so far. but your method sure seems thorough. no air bubbles if you work in small increments, and good adhesion directly into the fibers of the wood. whatever works!

I agree, whatever works!!

Umi_Ryuzuki · Sep 19, 2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by more coffee

Another question

What do you guy's/gals use for a bulkhead fitting to hook up a fire monitor?

I had thought about flaring a piece of brass tube ..but its so thin i wouldnt be able to thread it to get a tight fit against the hull..also it wouldnt have a barbed fitting on the end ..meaning the hose would be at risk of comming of ..

Thinking i should use a screen or filter ..probabley one of those cheapie inline fuel filters at Wall Mart..you know the clear canister type...

Solder a washer, or brass finish washer to the end of a brass tube, and
solder some mesh over the opening to screen the water.
Then solder another washer to a second tube that will telescope over the first. Once the first tube has been run through the hull and glued in place,
the second tube will slide over the first tube on the interior, and can be
epoxied, or fiberglassed into place.

more coffee · Sep 19, 2009, 05:51 PM

Thank you for that tutorial Umi !! ..I know where to get the brass parts ..

The screen looks alot like the stuff used in Diesel fuel pre-filter's/water separators ..I'll go with that ..there's a shop next door to work I can get them out of the dumpster

What did you use to secure the hose to the brass tube?

In the mean time Ive sanded the high spots of the hull ..now I'm doing my impression of "Cake Boss" and iced the whole thing with a skim coat of bondo..(wait till you see my choclate filling ---EP2 GLI

) .. I'll sand it with 150grit ..a little spot putty .primer and i can move into the engine room and start fitting her out ..

Umi_Ryuzuki · Sep 19, 2009, 08:29 PM

To secure the hose to the bulkhead, I solder a brass collar over the
top of the intake tube. The hose has to be forced over it and then
down onto the smaller tube proper... Then I wrap it with a zip tie.

more coffee · Sep 20, 2009, 08:04 PM

A little more progress...
And hit the hardware store for a few bits to build a bulkhead inlet for the monitor as Umi suggested..

catfishchaser · Sep 20, 2009, 09:41 PM

Hey coffee, that hull is lookin great.

more coffee · Sep 21, 2009, 05:29 PM

Thanks catfish ....power tools make a huge difference...As it stands there it needs some spot putty , a finer sanding ..another shot of primer and the base coat

What bug's me now though is where to get satin finish oxide red paint not primer..and exterior at that ..ever use actual hull paint ?
More to figure out ..

Also I think its X-nay on the gear box and motor....
I noticed a motor on one of the fan's in the tractor ..rather big ,,swings a 6 inch fan , its not a blender motor it may spin 4000/4500rpm,and dosent pop a 5 amp fuse even after all day on bust.. the whole fan is 20$ at the shop ..I may go with a pair of those direct ..versus the Dumas gear...

My props are 2 1/2 inch ..should be OK ..I think

or it may be a Viking funeral for Shelly

dennischaves · Sep 21, 2009, 10:01 PM

i got 3 inch props for mone
but i haven't finished the hull yet it's ready for glass
the dumas gears are soooo loud

more coffee · Sep 22, 2009, 05:45 PM

This is the general propulsion arrangement

Dumas 2 1/2 in prop ,shaft, and stuffing box..
Dumas dog bone connector

the motor came out of a fan ..
12V ,2 in dia, 2 3/4 long ..12 poles, 1/4 shaft

Think it will swing the props with some to spare... ya tink's

Kmot · Sep 22, 2009, 07:02 PM

That motor looks pretty stout to me!

Do you have an ammeter?

Sep 20, 2009, 08:04 PM	#40
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more coffee Cheif Bottlewasher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In an Igloo Posts: 797	This is the general propulsion arrangement Dumas 2 1/2 in prop ,shaft, and stuffing box.. Dumas dog bone connector the motor came out of a fan .. 12V ,2 in dia, 2 3/4 long ..12 poles, 1/4 shaft Think it will swing the props with some to spare... ya tink's Attached Thumbnails 65.8 KB · Views: 53 62.0 KB · Views: 44 58.6 KB · Views: 48 74.6 KB · Views: 63 73.4 KB · Views: 53 Last edited by more coffee; Sep 22, 2009 at 05:58 PM.

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Sep 18, 2009, 06:58 PM	#31
more coffee Cheif Bottlewasher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In an Igloo Posts: 797	I did it cheaper than that .. I was cool here last night ..and I decided to light up the wood stove ..theres a nook that the basement door is in and its a high spot in the basement ...nail in wall ,hung the girl up ..got the fire going ..turned up the stove fan .. left the through door open..after an hour it was 38C up there where the boat was .. ..left it there all night ..this morning was much better ..and this evening she's solid as a rock .. So thanks toes and dnchvs for calming the nerves .... once shes cleaned up and primed ..running gear in its place ..I'm gonna resin the inside as well ..

Sep 18, 2009, 08:50 PM	#33
jjac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Conway,Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 169	It will be easier on you if you will put one coat of resin on the wood first and let it cure out. The first coat seals the wood. After it is cured apply another thin coat, then apply the cloth and a wet coat on top of the cloth. By applying the cloth on top of a wet coat you are less likely to get air bubbles. While its still wet use a fiberglass roller and roll over the surface to get all of the air bubbles out.

Sep 18, 2009, 11:09 PM	#34
ozoneone King of The Moon Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 667	wow. sounds like a good plan, but a lot of work. i have a seguin by midwest tug i built more than ten years ago by my method and pretty perfect finish with no problems so far. but your method sure seems thorough. no air bubbles if you work in small increments, and good adhesion directly into the fibers of the wood. whatever works!

Sep 19, 2009, 09:52 AM	#35
more coffee Cheif Bottlewasher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In an Igloo Posts: 797	Another question What do you guy's/gals use for a bulkhead fitting to hook up a fire monitor? I had thought about flaring a piece of brass tube ..but its so thin i wouldnt be able to thread it to get a tight fit against the hull..also it wouldnt have a barbed fitting on the end ..meaning the hose would be at risk of comming of .. Thinking i should use a screen or filter ..probabley one of those cheapie inline fuel filters at Wall Mart..you know the clear canister type...

Sep 19, 2009, 05:51 PM	#38
more coffee Cheif Bottlewasher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In an Igloo Posts: 797	Thank you for that tutorial Umi !! ..I know where to get the brass parts .. The screen looks alot like the stuff used in Diesel fuel pre-filter's/water separators ..I'll go with that ..there's a shop next door to work I can get them out of the dumpster What did you use to secure the hose to the brass tube? In the mean time Ive sanded the high spots of the hull ..now I'm doing my impression of "Cake Boss" and iced the whole thing with a skim coat of bondo..(wait till you see my choclate filling ---EP2 GLI ) .. I'll sand it with 150grit ..a little spot putty .primer and i can move into the engine room and start fitting her out ..

Sep 19, 2009, 08:29 PM	#39
Umi_Ryuzuki Sea Dragon-Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PDX, OR Posts: 5,886	To secure the hose to the bulkhead, I solder a brass collar over the top of the intake tube. The hose has to be forced over it and then down onto the smaller tube proper... Then I wrap it with a zip tie.

Sep 20, 2009, 09:41 PM	#41
catfishchaser Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Near Muncie, IN. Posts: 154	Hey coffee, that hull is lookin great.

Sep 21, 2009, 05:29 PM	#42
more coffee Cheif Bottlewasher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In an Igloo Posts: 797	Thanks catfish ....power tools make a huge difference...As it stands there it needs some spot putty , a finer sanding ..another shot of primer and the base coat What bug's me now though is where to get satin finish oxide red paint not primer..and exterior at that ..ever use actual hull paint ? More to figure out .. Also I think its X-nay on the gear box and motor.... I noticed a motor on one of the fan's in the tractor ..rather big ,,swings a 6 inch fan , its not a blender motor it may spin 4000/4500rpm,and dosent pop a 5 amp fuse even after all day on bust.. the whole fan is 20$ at the shop ..I may go with a pair of those direct ..versus the Dumas gear... My props are 2 1/2 inch ..should be OK ..I think or it may be a Viking funeral for Shelly

Sep 21, 2009, 10:01 PM	#43
dennischaves Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 6	i got 3 inch props for mone but i haven't finished the hull yet it's ready for glass the dumas gears are soooo loud

Sep 22, 2009, 07:02 PM	#45
Kmot Grumpa Tom Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 5th & Main, Los Angeles, CA Posts: 13,708	That motor looks pretty stout to me! Do you have an ammeter?