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Old Nov 05, 2011, 05:38 PM
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One point though, I wonder has many model clubs develop because there is a good quality hobby shop within driving distance ?.

Mail ordering everything is probably a major disincentive for anyone new to the game, especially when they don't even know what they want. Hence the proliferation in, 'everything is in the box' buyers.
Two excellent thoughts, IMHO! The local hobby shop is rapidly becoming a dinosaur. In the '50's & '60's I lived within 5 miles of 4 of them. Today, I live within 8 miles of ONE, it just opened and I hope it succeeds, but I have my doubts. In the last 10 years I have seen three open shop and close, one after only 8 months.


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Old Nov 05, 2011, 05:41 PM
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To be honest my use of foam is mainly because, it's cheaper than balsa; my local model shop doesn't stock what I want in the quality I want, (it's a tropical fish shop that also sells RC cars and a few planes); also I cannot 'select' my balsa by using mail order, I just have to hope I receive the grade and quality that I order.
Cost is probably the major factor.

Where as, the foam I use, mostly Depron, is identical every time I buy some, and in the UK it's not very expensive compared to balsa.

Now if there was a really good model shop nearby, selling top quality balsa in the grades I want and can select, and it was reasonably priced, then I would be back balsabashing.

One point though, I wonder has many model clubs develop because there is a good quality hobby shop within driving distance ?.

Mail ordering everything is probably a major disincentive for anyone new to the game, especially when they don't even know what they want. Hence the proliferation in, 'everything is in the box' buyers.
I was looking for 1/4 blue fanfold all over the place for a plane i might build and the company i get siding and shingles from had some left that no one wanted any more. I can buy balsa here and it does not cost to much but depron and foam is not cheap . I see guys buying foam board at the dollar store for planes but it looks weak. joe
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I suspect that the thought that a higher percentage of foamie builders aren't in clubs is true. In fact, in the SEMFF thread in scratchbuilt foamies forum none of the regular posters is in an organized club (South East Michigan Foamie Flyers is an unclub - no membership, no dues, no rules, just fly - though most of us are AMA members, so we try to stay "in code" with our activities) One of the nice things about foamies and park flyers is one can fly them in a lot more areas without aggravating anyone (slow, lightweight, no noise, no smell... well, most of them are slow) so there's less need for the strength of numbers for flying sites, etc.

Also, at the winter flying at Ultimate Soccer arena in Pontiac, MI, it's 99% foamies with only a few balsa planes from time to time and we easily over a hundred planes on hand, and have 40-50 planes in the air at a time they call it the foam blender! (good to have 2.4 in there!)

Joe: all three of the planes I posted on the previous page are Dollar store foam. DS foam is the same material as FFF and Depron, the only difference is density and perhaps some plasticizers. DS foam is a bit more flexible, less dent resistant but a bit more elastic/tough than depron or FFF. it comes to 3/16" thick without the paper (and one really needs to remove the paper as it doubles the weight and doesn't really help durability. Whereas the foam will bend if hit, the foam with paper will buckle - not good) For under 30 inch spans, single surface stabs and wings work, but for the quicksilver at 40" span, I doubled the thickness of tail empennage. While I didn't do it, one can also glue in the hinges while laminating the stabs, kinda cool idea, eh?

DS foam is also a really cheap way to get into the hobby, as it's only a buck plus tax a 20x30" sheet and available most everywhere in the US.
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Tried to place a quote in here and for some reason it didn't work!
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Same as above, see below.
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Just keep in mind that there's nothing wrong with building with foam. There's some beautiful foam builds on these forums. I might even consider foam planes a "gateway build" in the sense that after building a foam plane and getting to see your work fly, you're more likely to want to build bigger and better planes, likely in balsa.
"Just keep in mind that there's nothing wrong with building with foam." I have no idea why it seems some people think there is this great "Rift" between those who build in balsa and those who build in foam; or, other material! Let's end the MADNESS now and quit perpetuating this foolishness!! Anyone talking about why they like building in one material is simply giving his opinion on what he LIKES doing! If they do make a negative statement about one material; or, the other, then they are showing their ignorance!
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I'm doing a quick foam plane using dollar store foam. I sprayed them with water peeled off the paper and glued two pieces together. Seems about the right thickness and seems sturdy enough.

I can't find the depron here yet so had to go with that.
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I was looking for 1/4 blue fanfold all over the place for a plane i might build and the company i get siding and shingles from had some left that no one wanted any more. I can buy balsa here and it does not cost to much but depron and foam is not cheap . I see guys buying foam board at the dollar store for planes but it looks weak. joe
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"Just keep in mind that there's nothing wrong with building with foam." I have no idea why it seems some people think there is this great "Rift" between those who build in balsa and those who build in foam; or, other material! Let's end the MADNESS now and quit perpetuating this foolishness!! Anyone talking about why they like building in one material is simply giving his opinion on what he LIKES doing! If they do make a negative statement about one materail; or, the other, then they are showing their ignorance!
I didn't mean to spark the old "Foam vs Balsa" fight again. I was simply commenting on the previous two posts that were about the number of foam builders compared to the number of balsa builders. All I meant was that building is building, no matter what the medium. You're expressing your creativity and seeing your hard work actually fly.
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Looks like we don't need to bring building back. It's alive and well. Check out this item from RCG member "Foam and Tape".

http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=68719
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I didn't mean to spark the old "Foam vs Balsa" fight again. I was simply commenting on the previous two posts that were about the number of foam builders compared to the number of balsa builders. All I meant was that building is building, no matter what the medium. You're expressing your creativity and seeing your hard work actually fly.
Absolutly agree!
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Old Nov 06, 2011, 11:27 AM
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When it comes to using foam or balsa i dont see the big deal as long as someone is building something at all. I will try foam but i will always stick with balsa .If you coud see all the scrap balsa i have collected over 30 years you could understand why.lol I want to try foam just for fun and something different to do. I give credit to guys who figure out how to bend and shape foam and make it strong enough to handle stress loads of flying. Lets face it we are all building flying models and should stick together. joe
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At last - CONSENSUS, whatever you build, or whatever you do it with, with plans or without, even if you're just hacking a kit or arf, if you love it and enjoy it, be proud of it and someone here will share. We all share the same passion and love, some just believe they are limited by finance or knowledge.
Question is do we need to learn them to build or to trust in their abilities?
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At last - CONSENSUS, whatever you build, or whatever you do it with, with plans or without, even if you're just hacking a kit or arf, if you love it and enjoy it, be proud of it and someone here will share. We all share the same passion and love, some just believe they are limited by finance or knowledge.
Question is do we need to learn them to build or to trust in their abilities?
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Old Nov 06, 2011, 01:41 PM
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At last - CONSENSUS, whatever you build, or whatever you do it with, with plans or without, even if you're just hacking a kit or arf, if you love it and enjoy it, be proud of it and someone here will share. We all share the same passion and love, some just believe they are limited by finance or knowledge.
Question is do we need to learn them to build or to trust in their abilities?
I agree with most of what you said but the ARF part is streching it a little.lol Iam just kidding guys. lmao
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If I have ever been missinterpreted as thinking only my way is the best way, please forgive! The reality is I only try to express what I like to do.
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