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Old Feb 02, 2010, 09:29 AM
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Hi Nicolas,
You can't mix F3P and your national "National" and "Promotion" classes for the total number of competitors. For these latter classes, which are neither F3P nor international, you do as you see fit. For the international F3P-A and F3P-AFM classes, there you must specify a maximum number of competitors, but you can't reject an international entry on the basis that, for example, a Promotion pilot upped the total number of entrants.
According to what I see, you have 37 F3P and 47 F3P-AFM entrants up to now
It is for these classes that you may state a maximum number.
A pilot is a pilot. Whether international, national or promotion we have a maximum number of pilot.
The IITOP is a private contest funded only by private sponsors (Topmodel and RcPilot) and the registration of pilots. Financially and from a timing point of view, we can not be more than 75 pilots.

In addition I did not find a FAI rule which said that the number of registered is unlimited.

We must be very pragmatic for a competition like IITOP.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 10:34 AM
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A pilot is a pilot. Whether international, national or promotion we have a maximum number of pilot.
In addition I did not find a FAI rule which said that the number of registered is unlimited.
It says that you may limit the number of entrants (B.5.3.), but this number is for the considered FAI class only and cannot be related to another, non-FAI event such as your national class events. As said, you may state a maximum number of entrants for the F3P competition and it is your personal affair to adjust the number of your other (non FAI) events to suit your needs.

Also please use the correct country codes and not the fancy ones that are on your website

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Old Feb 02, 2010, 11:10 AM
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It says that you may limit the number of entrants (B.5.3.), but this number is for the considered FAI class only and cannot be related to another, non-FAI event such as your national class events. As said, you may state a maximum number of entrants for the F3P competition and it is your personal affair to adjust the number of your other (non FAI) events to suit your needs.
You are not practical again or I don’t understand.

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Also please use the correct country codes and not the fancy ones that are on your website
We think that the country codes are correct (without “Wales”). So can you help me?
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 11:26 AM
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We think that the country codes are correct (without “Wales”). So can you help me?

FAI uses the Olympic country code, it is listed in the Sporting Code.
ENG is probably meant to be England (actually should be the United Kingdom, England or Wales as such are not members of the FAI), should be GBR
NLD is probably meant to be The Netherlands, should be NED
As for SVN, that beats me, I don"t know what country you mean.

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Old Feb 02, 2010, 11:27 AM
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We think that the country codes are correct (without “Wales”). So can you help me?
Hi Nicolas,

he is just giving you a hard time.

Netherlands should read NED,
Slovenia should read SLO, and
Wales and England should read GBR.

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Old Feb 02, 2010, 11:42 AM
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Hi Nicolas,
he is just giving you a hard time.
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Yes, but it is so easy to use the proper terminology as it must be anyway when the President of the Jury will send the official results to the FAI

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Old Feb 02, 2010, 11:55 AM
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What's code must we use?
CIO, ISO 3166-1 alpha-3, or other ?
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...es_pays_du_CIO
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 12:01 PM
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What's code must we use?
CIO, ISO 3166-1 alpha-3, or other ?
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...es_pays_du_CIO
Again, the FAI Sporting Code says it all.
Volume ABR, Annex B2 (NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION MARKS) page 61

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Old Feb 02, 2010, 03:47 PM
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Hello FAI_guy,
please let us make our competitions with these rules.
Why do you want to spoil our events?
We are working very hard to make F3P popular and convince man pilots to this kind of flying.
We know that it is hard to do a lot of training to keep this level of flying, so we want to offer an easy way for the pilots to take part at a competition.
If there will be a european or world championship - hopefully in the near future - we will be first ones to make this a perfect event fully according to the official rules.
But for now we just want to make F3P popular and to show the pilots how the scores are working and what they have to consider if they want to get many points.

Please keep this in mind.

Stephan Schrade
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Organisation F3N German Championship and EuroCup 2010
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Old Feb 03, 2010, 02:12 PM
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@Stephan Schrade

Stephan, well said.... at least you dare to sign with your real name instead of an alias....

See you at IITOP?

Cheers
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Old Feb 05, 2010, 09:51 AM
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If there will be a european or world championship - hopefully in the near future - we will be first ones to make this a perfect event fully according to the official rules.
But the problem is: how can there be a World Championship as long as the existing rules have never been used ?
Think about it.

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Old Feb 05, 2010, 11:38 AM
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But the problem is: how can there be a World Championship as long as the existing rules have never been used ?
Think about it.

FAI guy
Until 2008 it was no problem following the rules. The new F3P schedules however forced the countries to either deviate from the rules, or stop flying F3P:

http://www.f3jscore.com/f3p/2008-200...h-Aprogram.htm

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Agreed the change to the rules mean that practice venues you can fly the schedules in are either impossible or vritually impossible due to the huge cost involved in hiring the halls.
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Old Feb 05, 2010, 03:42 PM
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How can there be a world championship, if we don't have pool of pilots?

At least these two competitions (IITOP and Gemany Championships) are using the complete set of manoeuvres and the scoring rules and tables from FAI.

The only thing they might violating is the case that pilots from other countries and pilots without FAI license are allowed to fly.

But this has been the case in many other competitions around Europe in various classes like F3A, F3J etc. for years.

@wjpadevries:
Unfortunately I will not be at IITOP.

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Old Feb 11, 2010, 02:22 AM
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Statistically January and February are the coldest months in Paris, i.e. it could be freezing cold.
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Well, looks like it is going to be freezing cold.

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