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Old Apr 14, 2003, 01:01 PM
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Michael Moore says you can't be a democrat...

If you concluded that war with Iraq was necesary...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/petition...edge/index.php
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 01:06 PM
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talk about a Useful idiot, lol.
Im happy he is doing that. The more the Democrats yell about this war, the more out of touch they get with the American people, and more likely to get voted out.

Give that man a loudspeaker!
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 02:10 PM
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Sure is a convenient way to send a message to your representative. No need for any critical thinking on my part anymore either. Mike already has that covered.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 02:12 PM
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PLEASE let Moore be Al Sharpton's running mate in '04

It is already looking pretty grim for the Dems, but that would be the icing on the cake.

Apparently, denial is not just a river in Egypt.......
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 02:36 PM
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1) Form noose 2) insert head 3) jump off stool

Should that petition not include an application to another party? If all democrats, who voted for the "use of force" resolution, were voted out of office, for whom would Moore et al. vote? Certainly not republicans! The Greens? The socialists? Would Moore resurrect the populist party? I don't take it seriously, it just doesn't appear thought through. A typical trait of Mr. Moore.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 02:50 PM
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Al Moore 2004. Al Moore 2004.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 03:34 PM
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Moore, Gore, 2004
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 03:41 PM
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Moore hasn't been supporting the democrats for some time. He supported Nader in 2000.

His argument is that the two major parties are entirely too close on most issues, so it makes for a lack of debate, lack of public discussion, lack of democracy. When you look at not just what dems and pubs say (the standard baiting and antagonism between dems and pubs, liberals and conservatives, kinda like a sword fight in a Leo Dicaprio movie, more talking and running around than swordfighting) but how they vote and what type of legislation they enact...he has a point. Especially when you look at gov't spending.

I won't purport to support everything Mr. Moore forwards, but more often than not he is exaggerating and dramatizing to draw attention to an important issue. In this case, Democracy, or the lack thereof.

The rhetoric between the dems and pubs grows always more shrill, but actual policy (executive, legislative and judicial) becomes more and more the same.

I guess Rush Limbaugh and his fixation on Bill and Hillary is more reasonable...and fun. Of course, it's a distraction from the policy debate, rather than an invitation to it. Probably good for democracy in the long run, eh?
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 04:56 PM
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So you are saying that he is trying to alienate the Democrats and Republicans completely?

Then why isn't he asking for pledges from voters to vote out Republicans that show a bit of moderation with regards to "Conservative" party lines?


Sorry, I don't buy it. He is just another rich celebrity telling the voters what they should and shouldn't do, while he makes a buck off of them.

Shame on you Michael Moore.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 05:36 PM
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I'm not a democrat, and I think the war with Iraq is close to a crime!
But Micheal Moore IS an idiot, no matter what his politics.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 10:15 PM
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I'm not a democrat, and I think the war with Iraq is close to a crime!
But Micheal Moore IS an idiot, no matter what his politics.
Care to elaborate or should we just leave it at that?
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 10:30 PM
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The war is close to a crime.
Although there will be many beneficial results from the change of government in Iraq, the announced reason for doing so is specious.
Even IF Iraq has/had WMDs, so what?
It's the problem of.... cw from North... Iran, Kuwait, Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey... and then another ring around those, and another ring around.. Not the US unless these "warriors" who vanished from the field of battle meet an even less capable enemy.
It's a local (Eurasian) problem.
If Iraq was capable of doing damage to the surrounding countries it's not something the US should feel it necessary to"defend" itself against so overwhelmingly! Assisting any attacked country, yes. Going in unilaterally, for the WMD reason... NO!
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Moore is merely exploiting his position as a media person. His opinion on -anything- is of no more value than mine or yours, in the scheme of things.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 10:37 PM
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So you are saying that he is trying to alienate the Democrats and Republicans completely?

Then why isn't he asking for pledges from voters to vote out Republicans that show a bit of moderation with regards to "Conservative" party lines?


Sorry, I don't buy it. He is just another rich celebrity telling the voters what they should and shouldn't do, while he makes a buck off of them.

Shame on you Michael Moore.
He's trying to get out the word that the Democrats didn't even put up a fight about the war. He's trying to help create a progressive left in this country, something which in my opinion is sorely needed. The Democrats are Republican light.

He doesn't care about Republicans. He's going after people who are primarily concerned about equal education, environmental issues, quality of life, campaign finance, medical care, corporate governance and foreign policy decisions directly opposed to that of our current president.

Not the latest "evildoer", the next tax cut or "why God loves America", which the Repiblicans seem to be pretty much wrapped up with.

Michael Moore ran for and won school board in his home town of Flint, MI when he was a teenager...for that alone, I respect the guy. He saw a problem and he addressed it. He made himself a celebrity by doing something about the plant closings and economic hard times that hit his city. Is that something to look down on him for?

You're gonna give Michael Moore a hard time about making money, but let the corporate scandals fall by the wayside of the tanks rumbling into Baghdad, because there isn't anyone in Washington talking about it. At least he MADE his money LEGALLY and MORALLY. Which is one heck of alot more than we can say for some of President Bush's biggest supporters.

But that's not true because no one has been indicted....hmmmm.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 10:58 PM
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At least he MADE his money LEGALLY and MORALLY. Which is one heck of alot more than we can say for some of President Bush's biggest supporters.
If that were true, I'd be a fan.

Michael Moore is a liar and a propagandist. Worse, he is a propagandist who victimizes people for his own agrandizement and for money.

What he does is legal, but it is no more moral then pornography.
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 11:01 PM
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If that were true, I'd be a fan.

Michael Moore is a liar and a propagandist. Worse, he is a propagandist who victimizes people for his own agrandizement and for money.

What he does is legal, but it is no more moral then pornography.
Sure, because the gun nutz spin "Bowling", Moore is a liar.
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