Surplus missle gyros

Blue Sky · Aug 18, 2009, 06:16 PM

If nothing else, they're really pretty!
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.co...?number=G17270

airmcn_3 · Aug 18, 2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Sky

If nothing else, they're really pretty!
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.co...?number=G17270

LOL, Imagine the ITAR crap if you specked that baby.....

zlite · Aug 18, 2009, 06:57 PM

Just imagine what they cost new! Totally not worth the headache now, but I might get one just to show off for the mechanical gyro nostalgia.

-c

FAKHREALAM · Aug 18, 2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zlite

Just imagine what they cost new! Totally not worth the headache now, but I might get one just to show off for the mechanical gyro nostalgia.

-c

Just for learning no bad at $16.00. Open and see how this old gold works.

Fakhre Alam

FAKHREALAM · Aug 18, 2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FAKHREALAM

Just for learning no bad at $16.00. Open and see how this old gold works.

Fakhre Alam

Here is the info about same kind of gyro

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%200397.html

Fakhre Alam

jglenn · Aug 18, 2009, 07:54 PM

Terrorists could buy them. They will be off the market in a month. Sim place had "torquers", while ago, a servo, rotary solenoid used to tilt the mirror in an IR missile.

Knew a guy from Hughes who described them. Might be like galvo's used in real laser light shows, a high performance servo system. Same deal, cheap, obsolete you think.

Or maybe not.

Jack Crossfire · Aug 18, 2009, 09:25 PM

The gold plating jumped to $1200 with the commercial real estate bailout. The rent to store gyros that big for your lifetime is probably in the millions. Too bad they have no purpose. Mechanical gyros were common in RC until the 80's if U just want mechanical gyro bling. Saw a used one for $200 several years ago.

Can't wait for the ring laser gyros of today to hit $16 in 30 years. They'll be worthless artifacts from that U something country.

jglenn · Aug 19, 2009, 07:14 AM

Remember the Iranian UAV with the duct taped on wings, and lawn mower engine, was supposed to disperse chemical clouds over the USA? They are itching for some good gyros.

I knew a guy from Romania who used DEC LSI-11 computers to convert Soviet fighters to fly by wire in the 1970's.

How about an inertial guidance unit from the Polaris? Old, but not useless.
North Korea could use one on their crummy missiles, assuming the warhead
goes off. Surplus stuff can be dangerous.

jtprouty · Aug 19, 2009, 08:26 AM

This is precisely why the ITAR restrictions have become so prevalant in the last few years. They want to make sure that technology that could be weaponized or used to make weapons doesn't get into the wrong hands.

Jimmy

FAKHREALAM · Aug 19, 2009, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jglenn

Remember the Iranian UAV with the duct taped on wings, and lawn mower engine, was supposed to disperse chemical clouds over the USA? They are itching for some good gyros.

I knew a guy from Romania who used DEC LSI-11 computers to convert Soviet fighters to fly by wire in the 1970's.

How about an inertial guidance unit from the Polaris? Old, but not useless.
North Korea could use one on their crummy missiles, assuming the warhead
goes off. Surplus stuff can be dangerous.

Guys old gold plating have some worth (may be $10 or so) , nothing else worth for this 1960's era part. If u want laser ring gyro please visit China, Singapore or South Korea u will get what you want. This is old pieces
of 60's technology only good for showing engineering student how the mech gyro works.

Note: China have over 5000 hi-tech design centers, they are learning very fast, we need to put our energies in making us more better in engineering, math and science.

Fakhre Alam

airmcn_3 · Aug 19, 2009, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAKHREALAM

Guys old gold plating have some worth (may be $10 or so) , nothing else worth for this 1960's era part. If u want laser ring gyro please visit China, Singapore or South Korea u will get what you want. This is old pieces
of 60's technology only good for showing engineering student how the mech gyro works.

Note: China have over 5000 hi-tech design centers, they are learning very fast, we need to put our energies in making us more better in engineering, math and science.

Fakhre Alam

China also has 1/5th the world’s population.

If you can get laser ringed gyros in China why don’t you post a link?

I agree with you on old technology. But hey it would be a nice paper weight at the office...

Chris

FAKHREALAM · Aug 19, 2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by airmcn_3

China also has 1/5th the world’s population.

If you can get laser ringed gyros in China why don’t you post a link?

I agree with you on old technology. But hey it would be a nice paper weight at the office...

Chris

I agree its a good paper weight for 2009.

Are u sure u need it, price 15k a piece. Outside USA. Good for you. Is u aware of black market, from where you can get that all, funny high-tech parts, sold by USA companies un-officially.

Fakhre Alam

jglenn · Aug 19, 2009, 08:13 PM

Like JT mentioned, ITAR rules apply to things other than amateur UAV's and autopilots. Those gyros are still useful, could guide a cruise missile, who cares if the gyro is mechanical instead of electronic (has good specs) and weighs a few ounces, if the vehicle weighs 600LB.

Remember the transistor radio with semtex in it over lockerbie. You would not think a boom box is dangerous, normally. I don't trust any foreign gov engineers or even students. Many are spies who come here to snatch IP.

FAKHREALAM · Aug 19, 2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jglenn

Like JT mentioned, ITAR rules apply to things other than amateur UAV's and autopilots. Those gyros are still useful, could guide a cruise missile, who cares if the gyro is mechanical instead of electronic (has good specs) and weighs a few ounces, if the vehicle weighs 600LB.

Any one can buy it and use it but if device is siting there for over 29 years, for engineering point not reliable any more. Product life is way over.

Fakhre Alam

jtprouty · Aug 19, 2009, 09:06 PM

ITAR won't care how old it is if it falls under the restricted category. I've had problems shipping engine control assemblies to Europe to fix a jet that we own, all because of ITAR. We ended up hand carrying the FADEC and installing it ourself because ITAR thinks it can be weaponized.

I know they make aviation manufacturers write their manuals in a vague manner and even have them delete parts of their drawings, even draw them incorrectly before they could be released. In the end, it's all in the hands of the lawyers that write the laws.

Jimmy

Aug 18, 2009, 06:16 PM	#1
Blue Sky I See NOTHING!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eureka, CA Posts: 832	Surplus missle gyros If nothing else, they're really pretty! http://www.goldmine-elec-products.co...?number=G17270

Aug 18, 2009, 06:57 PM	#3
zlite Chris Anderson Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco/Bay Area Posts: 671	Just imagine what they cost new! Totally not worth the headache now, but I might get one just to show off for the mechanical gyro nostalgia. -c

Aug 18, 2009, 07:54 PM	#6
jglenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 241	Terrorists could buy them. They will be off the market in a month. Sim place had "torquers", while ago, a servo, rotary solenoid used to tilt the mirror in an IR missile. Knew a guy from Hughes who described them. Might be like galvo's used in real laser light shows, a high performance servo system. Same deal, cheap, obsolete you think. Or maybe not.

Aug 18, 2009, 09:25 PM	#7
Jack Crossfire Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Calif* Posts: 1,487	The gold plating jumped to $1200 with the commercial real estate bailout. The rent to store gyros that big for your lifetime is probably in the millions. Too bad they have no purpose. Mechanical gyros were common in RC until the 80's if U just want mechanical gyro bling. Saw a used one for $200 several years ago. Can't wait for the ring laser gyros of today to hit $16 in 30 years. They'll be worthless artifacts from that U something country.

Aug 19, 2009, 07:14 AM	#8
jglenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 241	Remember the Iranian UAV with the duct taped on wings, and lawn mower engine, was supposed to disperse chemical clouds over the USA? They are itching for some good gyros. I knew a guy from Romania who used DEC LSI-11 computers to convert Soviet fighters to fly by wire in the 1970's. How about an inertial guidance unit from the Polaris? Old, but not useless. North Korea could use one on their crummy missiles, assuming the warhead goes off. Surplus stuff can be dangerous.

Aug 19, 2009, 08:26 AM	#9
jtprouty Inherent Tinkerer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Maize, KS Posts: 308	This is precisely why the ITAR restrictions have become so prevalant in the last few years. They want to make sure that technology that could be weaponized or used to make weapons doesn't get into the wrong hands. Jimmy

Aug 19, 2009, 08:13 PM	#13
jglenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 241	Like JT mentioned, ITAR rules apply to things other than amateur UAV's and autopilots. Those gyros are still useful, could guide a cruise missile, who cares if the gyro is mechanical instead of electronic (has good specs) and weighs a few ounces, if the vehicle weighs 600LB. Remember the transistor radio with semtex in it over lockerbie. You would not think a boom box is dangerous, normally. I don't trust any foreign gov engineers or even students. Many are spies who come here to snatch IP.

Aug 19, 2009, 09:06 PM	#15
jtprouty Inherent Tinkerer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Maize, KS Posts: 308	ITAR won't care how old it is if it falls under the restricted category. I've had problems shipping engine control assemblies to Europe to fix a jet that we own, all because of ITAR. We ended up hand carrying the FADEC and installing it ourself because ITAR thinks it can be weaponized. I know they make aviation manufacturers write their manuals in a vague manner and even have them delete parts of their drawings, even draw them incorrectly before they could be released. In the end, it's all in the hands of the lawyers that write the laws. Jimmy