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Old Apr 13, 2003, 01:39 PM
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What's really up with France?

Every time I read or hear something from them I shake my head. Now they're meeting with the Syrians. It's hard to believe but their actions continue to support sediment that they are anti-American...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2555703
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Old Apr 13, 2003, 02:27 PM
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Sorry, perhaps you were reading a different article to the one posted which says nothing about France being in talks with Syria.

The view he expresses about it being time to think about peace and getting Iraw in order rathering than pursuing another country at this time is one we're also seeing here in the UK. We need to restore order, get food and aid to the population after all it was in their name we're there.

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Old Apr 13, 2003, 07:00 PM
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2/3 of France's petroleum came from Iraq... they don't want to drive Deux Cheveaux again
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Old Apr 14, 2003, 05:46 AM
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The French aren't but there's a visit programmed tomorrow by a British Foreign Office minister
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 12:12 PM
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I think France just got a wake-up call from elections held over the weekend:

PARIS (AP) - Worried by the growth of Islamic fundamentalism in France, the country's interior minister has threatened to expel any foreign Muslim religious leader who disseminates extremist propaganda.

Nicolas Sarkozy issued the warning after the unexpectedly strong showing of a Muslim fundamentalist party in weekend elections for a new council to represent France's various Islamic factions.

The Union of Islamic Organizations of France - inspired by Egypt's banned fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood - won 19 of the council's 58 seats. The moderate, Algerian-backed Mosque of Paris, which was considered a favorite, won just 15 seats.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...041603088.html
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 01:57 PM
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France

Tell me, who really gives a D--- about France?????
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 02:40 PM
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Re: France

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Tell me, who really gives a D--- about France?????
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 03:13 PM
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Yep. France is (should be) no longer part of the equation in world affairs. (irrelevant?)..... As the UN. Except for humanitarian aid only..... They are and have been 'not helpful'....... See the reports just starting to trickle out of Iraq on maybe why they and a couple of other countries have been unhelpful ???
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 04:43 PM
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The picture above must be that of French President Jacque Chirac in his younger years.

We must quit deluding ourselves that France is a friend and ally. France will always be in world affairs for France only and will sell out any friend or ally at the mere hint of a better deal. France sold nuclear technology to Iraq in the first place and the Exocet missiles to the Argentines that sunk the HMS Sheffield that killed so many British sailors. France is a leading exporter of advanced weapons technology to renegade states throughout the world. France was a brutal colonial power that withdrew from NATO when the USA opposed continuation of its oppressive colonial rule. And France voluntarily became Vichy in World War II and played an active role in the killing of thousands of Jews. The French themselves are lovely people as I came to find out when I visited over 10 years ago. It hurts me to say that I am a French-decendent, but France needs to boycotted economically and politically in the most strenuous terms for as long as it takes to make them a responsible and civilized nation. For myself, I will never knowingly buy French goods or support any French business again nor will I ever travel to France as long as France's irresponsibility towards world affairs and blatant stirring up of anti-American sentiment throughout the world continues.
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 04:46 PM
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The picture above must be that of French President Jacque Chirac in his younger years.

We must quit deluding ourselves that France is a friend and ally. France will always be in world affairs for France only and will sell out any friend or ally at the mere hint of a better deal. France sold nuclear technology to Iraq in the first place and the Exocet missiles to the Argentines that sunk the HMS Sheffield and that killed many British sailors. France is a leading exporter of advanced weapons technology to renegade states throughout the world. France was a brutal colonial power that withdrew from NATO when the USA opposed continuation of its oppressive colonial rule. And France voluntarily became Vichy in World War II and played an active role in the killing of thousands of Jews. The French themselves are lovely people as I came to find out when I visited over 10 years ago. It hurts me to say that I am a French-decendent, but France needs to boycotted economically and politically in the most strenuous terms for as long as it takes to make them a responsible and civilized nation. For myself, I will never knowingly buy French goods or support any French business again nor will I ever travel to France as long as France's irresponsibility towards world affairs and blatant stirring up of anti-American sentiment throughout the world continues.
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 10:46 PM
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I hadn't really thought about this before, but I think maybe the French reluctance to support the war in Iraq has something to do with the French experience in Algeria.

About as ugly as it gets. And France eventually pulled out after they had "won" the Battle of Algiers...but world opinion turned against the manner in which they did it.
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Old Apr 16, 2003, 11:55 PM
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You raise a very interesting point. I had not considered it that context, but that was indeed enough to leave a very nasty taste in their mouth. And of course their disasterous experience in southeast asia didn't help matters.
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Old Apr 17, 2003, 12:43 PM
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Guys,

Sorry, I had to comment!

Whether I agree or not with France's actions in the lead up to the Iraq war, I feel that many of these appends are of the flavour "Anyone who disagree's with the good 'ol US of A must have something wrong with them / can't be trusted etc"

People MUST be allowed their opinions, isn't that what you'd expect in the US? Freedom of speech and all that? Or is it 'freedom of speech, as long as you agree with my view'?

So how come you don't expect anybody else to be allowed it?

Regarding doing deals with the baddies. From what I hear EVERY government has had dealings with 'evil regimes' - UK happily sells arnaments to India / Pakistan etc, US supported Iraq (including weapons etc),France supported xxxxxxx, so it goes on.

You need to get past the jingoistic knee-jerk reaction brought on by somebody disagreeing with you, and be prepared to listen to the other side, maybe there is something in their argument that you've been blind to!

I agree with you, that views and actions diametrically opposed to your own, can be somewhat pinful to accept, but that's what maturity is all about!

Just my 'five pennorth' (2cents?),

Cheers,
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Old Apr 17, 2003, 01:03 PM
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ClipperBill Hit the nail right on the head.

The French are out for the French and only the French. They ALLWAYS have been and ALLWAYS will be. End of story.
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Old Apr 17, 2003, 09:19 PM
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Equality

Why is it that the French can denigrate the US, but when we reciprocate we are told that we should remember that we advocate free speech. Appears that the free speech is good for everybody but Americans.

Jerry
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