Question need advice

[glenbees]

well still cant make my mind up fvk bandit or simprop turn left. i like the way the bandit flys,short motor runs and high speed motor off runs but i fear the dreaded tip stall and also the fast landing and the amount of room it needs for a landing. not to keen on a switch for on off motor runs. i like the turnleft also because it as more stability and can be landed a lot slower, better because our flying field is not that long. but how close can i get to the bandits envelope regarding motor off and fast runs across the field. bend-wing says he flys is as a hotliner and really loves the turnleft but how fast . one thread says 500watts is the max you can run through this model as the wings are not as strong as they could be or have they modified from the simprop lift off. help me make mind up before this weekends nats.

[Darron]

Originally Posted by glenbees

help me make mind up before this weekends nats.

It comes down to how you want to fly. The TL would make a reasonable hotliner and is a competition legal pylon racer. Whereas the Bandit is not a true hotliner either and it is definately not a pylon racer.

If you want an electric glider go for the Bandit. If you want a powered model/pylon racer that can also glide like a hotliner, go for the Turn Left.

In terms of wing strength - unless you are flying pylon style turns with the motor on at 600W++, I doubt you would break the wing. However, both wings have a similar construction apart from the TL is pressure moulded which results in a very strong wing. The Bandit gets strength from glass/epoxy skinning, which you could also do to the TL quite easily.

There are plenty of videos of both on youtube - mostly in hotliner mode.
In both cases you'll get shorter motor runs due to the higher power you are using, neither are good thermalers.

HTHs
Darron

[glenbees]

going to the nats on sunday will try and have a word with you if possible.watching some flying will make my mind up, glen

[Alan Flockhart]

Originally Posted by glenbees

going to the nats on sunday will try and have a word with you if possible.watching some flying will make my mind up, glen

You able to make it on Monday as well? You could be interested in the F5B down the road from the power nats. http://www.f5b.co.uk/ for details THere will be 4-5 KW setups doing their stuff down there.

[glenbees]

no sorry wll not be able to make it on monday as iam working pity as i would have enjoyed that

[Alan Flockhart]

There are 2 other comps left which will be held at Wetlands (near Retford) which I don't think is that far from Leeds. More than welcome to come either of those as well.

[glenbees]

what days are those held on

[glenbees]

made my mind up am going for the turnleft watching some videos on a german site and the turnleft was really impressive. think it was running on a axi 22/12/9d,4s 2200 batt, 4.1x4.1 prop also somebody was running on 3s pack with slightly bigger prop. flight times seemed around 5mins, think it was running at its max flight envelope though. dont know how many watts or amps. this kind of performance would suit me. once again thank you for any comments.

[Alan Flockhart]

Originally Posted by glenbees

what days are those held on

Sundays this year - We are looking to do a Sat & Sun mix next year

Current dates remaining for this year are 27th September and 11th Oct (reserve date)

[Ben D Wing]

Originally Posted by glenbees

made my mind up am going for the turnleft watching some videos on a german site and the turnleft was really impressive.

You won't regret it glenbees!

BTW, which was the German site where you saw the video, have you a link?
I'm interested in having a look myself.

[glenbees]

if you do a search on google type in simprop turnleft rc movie and it should be a the top of the page. scroll down a little after you have watched the video and he mentioned the motor set up. let me know what you think of this set up as i will probally get this at the nats this weekend.

[glenbees]

trying to find the axi 22/12/9d motor cant find any specs on it at all. need to know what is the max amount of power the turnleft will take.

[Ben D Wing]

Originally Posted by glenbees

trying to find the axi 22/12/9d motor cant find any specs on it at all. need to know what is the max amount of power the turnleft will take.

Glenbees, I found this info on a German forum......''Typhoon 3W von 4,7x4,7 bis 6x5,5 aber ab 5,2x5,2 heizt er nur noch zusätzlich
das Gleiche mit dem Mega 16/15/3....sind ja quasi baugleich
Axi 22/12/9d mit 5,2x4,7 schon ganz nett und mit 5,2x5,2 fast noch etwas spritziger....''
Basically he's stating that the Typhoon 3W and Mega are very similar, but the Axi is a little bit hotter than the Mega (on a 3s lipo). In the video you linked me to, the guy there is using a 4s LiPo and his T.L. is a bit quicker than mine, but not an aweful lot. He's turning a small prop (4.1" x 4.1") very quickly, but mine is turning a larger prop (5" x 5") a bit slower. IMO larger props are always more efficient.
Also I'm not sure about his claimed of speeds between 250 and 300 KPH!

Finally, I guess the T.L. is good for about 450 Watts?

P.S.
I can't find much about the Axi motor; Why not try one of these? http://www.brchobbies.co.uk/?page=shop&item=387

[Ben D Wing]

Glenbees, here's a whole thread on the T.L. (in German) with loads of info on different motors, props, graphs etc. etc. http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=56333

[glenbees]

thanks for imfo, dont know what speed the TL was doing on the video but looks faster enough for me . just thought that if i went for the axi i would know that it would be fit the TL . also if i knew what watts it delivered i could possible get a alternative motor. should have puechased the TL before hand like darron said and took it down with me to the nats. on my gonzales i have a 16/15/3 on a 6x4 prop and the top speed does not seem no where as fast as the TL video , also am i looking more at a inrunner than a outrunner for the TL.