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Old Aug 01, 2009, 09:31 PM
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What's a good low-time flyer's plane for this motor combo?

I ordered this combo on the advice of a Slow Stick thread to modernize my second hand, all beat up Stick.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...047_Prop_Combo

And I got two of these:

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s..._15C_Lipo_Pack

While I was waiting for the delivery, I bent up the aluminum SS boom pretty badly (rubber bands on wing snapped). The SS has been fun, but I'm thinking it might be interesting to put that gear into something that might handle the breeze just a bit better.

Cost is fairly important, but not critical. I'm a fairly new flyer and not ready for anything very hot, so I'm wondering what suggestions you guys might have for a different plane to use this gear in.
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Old Aug 01, 2009, 10:12 PM
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How about a scratch-build?
I just put a set in a F22 and the Delta Storm, this evening. Will maiden tomorrow, but it seems to be plenty power full. Both planes tried to get out of my hand, vertical towards the ceiling...
And it's as cheap as it can get. :-)

Andy.
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Old Aug 01, 2009, 10:28 PM
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Hmm, sounds like you're ready for a sporty plane.

Maybee something like a Mountain Models Switchback or Stevens aero Shaft
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Old Aug 02, 2009, 09:30 PM
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How about a scratch-build?
I just put a set in a F22 and the Delta Storm, this evening. Will maiden tomorrow, but it seems to be plenty power full. Both planes tried to get out of my hand, vertical towards the ceiling...
And it's as cheap as it can get. :-)

Andy.
They look pretty cool, and I do want to try scratch building some time, but honestly I don't think my flying skills are up to these two yet. I did bang that Stick around a lot. I appreciate the suggestions, though.
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Old Aug 03, 2009, 07:24 AM
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Hmm, sounds like you're ready for a sporty plane.

Maybee something like a Mountain Models Switchback or Stevens aero Shaft
Yeah, they sure do look like good candidates. How about the Stevens SQuiRT 400 with the optional aileron wing? Is that in the same category?

Poking around those two web sites is like being in a candy store or a restaurant with a huge menu - so many choices, so little time. Thanks, Xpress.
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Old Aug 03, 2009, 01:38 PM
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Get yourself a lightweight EPP high wing three channel trainer that can survive the crashes and can handle some wind. High wing planes are the most stable.

Something like this:

MS COMPOSIT CITABRIA

Although I realise that what you ordered from HC would be overkill. Maybe you can place another order and get some lightweight gear.
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Old Aug 03, 2009, 02:51 PM
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Get yourself a lightweight EPP high wing three channel trainer that can survive the crashes and can handle some wind. High wing planes are the most stable.

Something like this:

MS COMPOSIT CITABRIA

Although I realise that what you ordered from HC would be overkill. Maybe you can place another order and get some lightweight gear.
Hey, that does look interesting. I like the stability and durability aspects, because I really identify with your user name.
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Old Aug 03, 2009, 03:05 PM
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GWS E-Starter.
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Old Aug 03, 2009, 03:15 PM
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I believe that those wanting proficiency should look at EPP planes.

They allow more flying and less rebuilding & repairing.

Rekitting can be a thing of the past.

Simulators are great also, but no way can they replace the real thing.

Small planes have low inerrtia in crashes. And I do know about crashes.
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^Rafe, the estarter is hardly durable at all, compared to EPP

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Hey, that does look interesting. I like the stability and durability aspects, because I really identify with your user name.
Hmm, I think the Citabria would be a good choice. If you want to, you can also cu out some ailerons and add in a couple servos, to make it 4 channel However, at that point, I think flattening the wing might also be a good idea
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Old Aug 04, 2009, 07:12 AM
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That Citabria got a pretty good review.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851338.

As a rookie in this hobby, the hardest thing right now is building that body of knowledge, all the little things that you guys probably forgot not knowing. It's also the fun part, too. I'm looking forward to the time when I'll have those spare parts laying around to try building an EPP plane on a whim. If only funds were unlimited...
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Old Aug 04, 2009, 08:02 AM
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^Rafe, the estarter is hardly durable at all, compared to EPP
I wouldn't argue that point, though I'd point out that the E-Starter airframe is nice and cheap. I don't have firsthand experience with the E-Starter, but I do own one GWS plane now, and it's a nice flyer. Very light.

Not to spoil the party, but when I tried to order an MS-Composite plane the other day (a 3D plane) I was told that the company is no longer selling in the US market.

I have some experience with EPP. (A scratchbuilt 3D plane, made of 6mm and 9mm EPP.) I was underwhelmed by its durability. It certainly can and does break. Though you might say it tears, rather than breaks. Same diff.
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Old Aug 04, 2009, 10:55 AM
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HI This is Diane at Lazertoyz and we do have the MS composit planes. We just received our order from the Czech Repubic, the are not currently on the website but if you email us direct we will give you prices and shipping charges. MS Composit USA is in Liquidation, but the Manfaturer in Europe is still going strong- the shipping charges are high if you order only 1 from them but we are ordering as a distributor and get a slight break.
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Old Aug 04, 2009, 02:53 PM
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They have the MS Composit EPP Citabria in stock right here: LAZERTOYZ

Good luck to all newbies considering the purchase of trainers made of beer-cooler foam or balsa wood.
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Old Aug 04, 2009, 03:50 PM
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They have the MS Composit EPP Citabria in stock right here: LAZERTOYZ

Good luck to all newbies considering the purchase of trainers made of beer-cooler foam or balsa wood.
Don't knock balsa, especially when it's a kit from a decent vendor, like Mountain Models or Stevens Aero. Hard to beat for low wing loading -- and that makes for slow, easy-flying models.

My SA Lil' Squirt was my third RC plane (after EasyStar and Vapor.) $27 for the kit, built it in two or three evenings. It's still flying. Why? 3.5 oz. all-up weight, wing loading under 4 oz/square foot. It doesn't have enough mass to hurt itself.
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