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Old Jan 23, 2011, 05:38 PM
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Ha ha. We laugh about it, but I had a student pilot who really did cover his Wanderer glider without removing the backing using Moneykote, no less!

It was a really junky looking covering job (even for an adolescent). He said it was really hard to get the covering to stick and that he had to turn the iron way up! The only places that stuck was where the heat had melted the backing!

When I told him he had to remove the backing first, he argued with me saying that the instructions told him to do it this way until I peeled away the backing material and explained how Moneykote worked.

He was back the next week with a new and improved covering job. The student told me that it sure ironed down a lot easier without the backing material. No doubt.

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Old Jan 23, 2011, 05:46 PM
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Barry, don't throw out that bad Econo-kote. Just get a can of balsa rite, or SiG Stix-it. One benifit is it's lighter on open frame work. No un-needed adhesive. You just have to re apply the adhesive for overlaps.

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Old Jan 23, 2011, 06:49 PM
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Hi Fuzz, been using Stix-It on some of areas on this one especially where spackle has been used, I use a mix of Durhams water paste and lightweight spackle and find the plastics stick better to this with a little help. My can of Balsa - Rite was for the fabric type covering and this seems to gas off a lot under plastic. Not sure Balsa-Rite and the Sig stuff aren't one and the same anyway!

Got some of the graphics on tonight --- couldn't wait!! It is sure going to be visible model but the scheme doesn't highlite the Phantom shape as well as some others.

Thanks for servo advice guys, think I am ok but will double check at final assembly. Got 82MG's everywhere except elevator.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 07:16 PM
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I look forward to seeing it, Barry.

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Old Jan 24, 2011, 01:36 AM
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Hi Barry, the Balsa rite film formula does not have enough solids, for use with covering with none. But you are correct, it does need a gassing off period. I also have a piece of 1/8" ply, 3x3" with a doz large T-pins protruding through, and a small handle of ply. Before ironing the film, I ventilate the sheetwood with this tool. I think Monokote marketed a wheel for the same thing called a wood pecker?

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Old Jan 24, 2011, 12:01 PM
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Got some of the graphics on tonight --- couldn't wait!! It is sure going to be visible model but the scheme doesn't highlite the Phantom shape as well as some others.

Thanks for servo advice guys, think I am ok but will double check at final assembly. Got 82MG's everywhere except elevator.
Yes, like Daren, I'm looking forward to seeing how yours looks.

You should be okay with the 82MGs. Since elevator is the primary flight control, you can never be too safe, IMO.

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Old Jan 25, 2011, 02:54 PM
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Nearly there! Still more plastic and more decals yet to go!

My 82MG's for ailerons seem to be giving a very soft neutral due to shaft exit slop, think I might need the standard 82's with the top bearing.
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Old Jan 25, 2011, 03:13 PM
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Nearly there! Still more plastic and more decals yet to go!

My 82MG's for ailerons seem to be giving a very soft neutral due to shaft exit slop, think I might need the standard 82's with the top bearing.
Whoa! What a nice looking model. It should be very easy to see.

Yes, mine are a little soft, too. It doesn't seem to affect the handling in the air, but I always do what makes me regardless of what others say.

So, if you are more comfortable with a tighter neutral, by all means, change the servos.

Again, nice job so far.

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Old Jan 25, 2011, 03:57 PM
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Real, nice, Barry!

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Old Jan 25, 2011, 07:25 PM
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Very nice, Barry!

My original servos didn't always center back to the same location, which of course, made it a handful to fly. Very un-F-4 like!

I switched out the 82MGs for the Hitec HS-125MGs, the model settled down into the F-4 I know and love. I probably would have been okay had I bought new 82MGs, but again, due to increased power output I went with the 125s.

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Nearly there! Still more plastic and more decals yet to go!

My 82MG's for ailerons seem to be giving a very soft neutral due to shaft exit slop, think I might need the standard 82's with the top bearing.
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Old Feb 03, 2011, 02:30 AM
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Hi Barry,

Just checking in to see how you're making out with your F-4. Any pics?

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Old Feb 12, 2011, 01:37 PM
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Finally had time to finish. Is now ready to go at 85.2 oz (6-cell). As you can see the canopy is far fromm perfect nor a good fit on fuse -- needs some shims added, really should start from scratch on a new canopy assembly and make it lighter! Covering is Econokote but have to admit Callie's decals make the difference, sure is a busy design! Don't think my old eyes will have difficulty in seeing this one. Have you seen the latest F-18 in the new digital camo -- sure wouldn't want a model in that scheme even if one would think about putting in the monumental task of duplicating!
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man that is GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Feb 12, 2011, 04:11 PM
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Beautiful work, Barry!

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Old Feb 13, 2011, 09:13 AM
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Very Impressive!

Hi Barry,

I love the paint scheme. I think it highlights the F-4 shape very well while also being very practical for a r/c model. I like the strut doors, too.

Next up: Test flight results (and video).

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