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Old Jun 22, 2009, 03:14 PM
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16th Century Pirate Galeon - a Square rigger in 1:20 Scale

The dream of a 6 year old boy - the "Jolly Roger" of Captain Hook in Walt Disneys "Peter Pan" - 42 years ago -...-
It was just a little plastic kit at 1:72 scale - and somehow it dominated my whole life!
Today I am 48 years, my profession is boatbuilder and -designer -yes, I became a shipwright because of that original dream,
which I had when I was a little boy.

I have been re-thinking that dream.
And I choose a german galeon from the 16th century to build that 1:20 rc-model of Captain Hooks ship.

Working name for that project: "Fat Lady"!
(although the original name of the ship is "Red Lion)

Pics will follow during the next days.
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 04:30 PM
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Disabled - you have my complete attention - look forward to your pics
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
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Aarrrrrr, ye 'ave my attention too matey!!!
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 10:26 PM
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You all so have my enterest here is some pic's, of a fellow rc builder of mine.
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 10:29 PM
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Me too.
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Old Jun 23, 2009, 12:49 AM
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Old Jun 23, 2009, 06:26 AM
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All right then - for the last ten years Ive been into hightech and multihulls.

Built 24 RC-Trimarans for example - six of them 2 meters long and wide and three of them even carbon epoxy.
The free plans of the "Nightmare Mk.VII", "Nightmare Mk.VIII" and Sirits "RT65 Race trimaran" are from my drawing board as well.

Well - time for a change!

"Our Fat Lady" aka "Red Lion" is supposed to become a really mean Pirateship!
It will be 160cm long overall, 62 cm wide and 120 cm high overall.

Hull size:
132 cm long
32 cm wide
45 cm high

Approximately 30 kg overall weight - a really FAT thing!

8 bigger cannons at the main cannon deck on each side -
2 cannons looking aftward,
3 smaller cannons on the upper decks on each side
and several hand-guns/-cannons on each side as well -
german name "Drehbasse" - I dont know the english word for them.

For years I had been thinking of re-building Sir Francis Drake`s "Golden Hind" at the same scale -
which I had done around 1981-82, but looking at the plans again and again -
I decided that the linedrawings of that old Elisabethanian Galeon are too "conservative" for my current intentions -*ggg*!

The original plans/linedrawings I have are all 1:100 and increasing their size
x 4 or x 5 isnt a big problem.
All necessary frames are done alllready.
I will use 100mm massive Styrodur + 12mm chipboard for each frame as the spacings are 112 mm (28mm original).
The whole massive plug will be sanded and covered with several layers of glass, sanded again and then the external surface will be completed.

I plan to build complete female moulds for a fully operational model, allthough there still will be plenty of wood to give authentic optics.

Once again - this Pirate ship is planned to become fully operational!
Sailing - firing all cannons - and so forth.

Inspiring?

Here will follow several links to give you first impressions, what Im up to:
http://images.google.at/imgres?imgur...%3Dde%26sa%3DG

My main concern right now is:
What is the "ideal" Pirate ship?
What should be its main "character"?
What symbols are included there - besides the pirate flag?
There are these "overdone" hullshapes of Walt Disneys "Jolly Roger",
and there is also this mixture of different styles, which I cannot include into one project - so which ones CAN I use?
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Old Jun 23, 2009, 08:33 AM
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An extensive google pics search!

Some very good pics of "Roter Lwe" - "Red Lion".
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Old Jun 25, 2009, 11:42 AM
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No comments?

Hey guys - I need some input from you!

Any ideas/suggestions for me???
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Old Jun 25, 2009, 01:09 PM
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Hello
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Old Jun 25, 2009, 11:10 PM
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My thoughts.

A brigantine, or any other ship that is at least part fore and aft rigged, may be easier to sail and rig than a square rigger.
But a square rigger may look more impressive.

The stripey sails of the Jolly roger do look a bit naff.

If you are going for looks then black sails, slightly ripped, will give you the Black Pearl, but because the sails will splill a lot of air you will need auxilary drive to assist. But she would still look good.

Personally I would put a motor in as well, just in case of complete drop in wind, as she won't sail like a yacht. And I would plan for the drop keel at the design stage.

Sorry If I am sugesting stuff you already know.
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Old Jun 26, 2009, 06:02 AM
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Yea those stripped sails look like something you'd see at a gay pride day parade.

Red Lion looks like a great candidate for your pirate ship & should be a real stunner on the water.

Have you looked at the cannon set-up on Lady Love? Its about as simple as you get for a talcum firing system.

http://webpages.charter.net/rctallship/page16.htm

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Old Jun 26, 2009, 06:46 AM
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Yea those stripped sails look like something you'd see at a gay pride day parade.



Chuck
Is that a 'Hello sailor', followed by a jolly Roger?
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Old Jun 26, 2009, 08:18 AM
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Ai YA!!!
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Old Jun 26, 2009, 11:13 AM
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Here's what a real pirate vessel looks like


A usually, it's nothing much - a bunch of thugs in a stolen fish boat, pretty much the way it's always been with pirates.
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