XFC Nightfly Complete Embarrasment - Page 3

bjpaul · Jun 16, 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jbourke

I didn't hear or see anything at the XFC that I wouldn't encounter at a typical shopping mall, gas station, state fair, or any other public venue.

That might not make the scene acceptable to every parent, of course.

Jim

So Jim, I could post the lyrics to the song on RC-Groups without violating the "family friendly" policy ?

Interesting in that the same speech you can hear at a typical shopping mall, gas station, state fair, or any other public venue will get you awarning point here, OR has the policy changed?

xfc3dcd · Jun 16, 2009, 08:32 PM

No ruffled feathers whatsoever. I just feel obligated to not permit dissemination of incorrect information regarding the XFC. Since we have clarified that you are not representing anyone but yourself I will explain why your comment is incorrect.

The XFC, not unlike many other sporting events, uses a tiered sponsorship program. With increasing levels of contribution comes increasing levels of exposure. Futaba is the largest contributor and title sponsor and so has the most visibility. Just like Nextel in Nascar. Below Futaba are our anchor, platinum, gold, silver and bronze level sponsors. Every vendors visibility at the event is in direct proportion to their individual level of contribution.

Make sense?

Wendell

MCART · Jun 16, 2009, 09:16 PM

This was the first time I have ever started a thread and I did it for my own personal reasons. Everyone is free to attend the XFC for whatever interests them the most. Personally, I attended because I was extremely interested in the night fly event. After attending the Joe Nall and watching all the night flying activities, I bought lights and outfitted my aircraft with them because this was something new for me and I found it very interesting.

Please note that I did not and have not said a single negative comment regarding the competition, the great barbecue meal, the access to the pilots, the vendors, the facility, the boat drunks, the fireworks, the weather..........

And while I did mention that I thought that one and only one particular song was inappropriate, I said "My problem wasn't so much about the music though". And I most certainly was not "pretty uptight to make a thread complaining about mention of the word "ass" or "breasts". I made the thread complaining about the night fly event.

I attended XFC for the night fly event. Not for the competition, food, music, fireworks etc. It may not have been the primary mission of the event but I did so based on the great expectations that the web site set forth. So for my personal reason for attending, it was a complete disappointment.

I understand that some of the participants did not make it and that was out of the XFC's control. How did I come to know this? By starting this thread and allowing those involved with its organization to make a statement. To my knowledge, no announcement was made at the XFC during the course of the day to this affect.

But that still leaves me with one final question for the organizers. If whomever the participant was that failed to show up would have showed up, what type of pyrotechnics mounted to the aircraft would we have seen? Roman candles mounted to wing tips, giant sparklers mounted to the landing gear, maybe remotely fired pop bottle rockets? I certainly hope that all that hype wasn't pure speculation and nobody has volunteered any information yet as what was actually planned. Please tell us all that hype was not just fabricated.

MCART · Jun 16, 2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xfc3dcd

Regarding misinformation, I would like to correct some.

1. JR was asked to attend the event and provide banners, as in previous years, but declined for financial reasons. They were an event sponsor once again and to say their involvement is important and appreciated is a huge understatement.
Wendell Adkins
XFC Contest Director

Just out of curiosity, do you mean they were a sponsor this year? Because I don't see any mention of them on your website list of sponsors.
http://www.futaba-rc.com/xfc-rc/sponsors.html

xfc3dcd · Jun 16, 2009, 09:40 PM

Regarding next years Night Fly, all I can say with absolute certainty is that several of the top competitors told me on their way out that they would be back next year prepared to impress. I am confident the $1000 purse will help also.

There were a few sponsors that did not commit to support the event until quite late, some as late as the week of the event. As I mentioned in the pilots meeting, we are eternally grateful to all our sponsors, particularly considering current economic conditions.

Wendell

Shpook · Jun 16, 2009, 09:54 PM

Just thought I'd mention that this thread has done nothing but talk UP XFC, and really make me wanna go. Whether you enjoyed it all or not, they have succeeded in a very important task: they've provoked you.

Maybe one day I can make the trip to attend.

barracudahockey · Jun 17, 2009, 07:52 AM

I think anyone would be satisfied with a trip to any of the big events at Muncie. Pick one that intrests you like XFC, IRCHA, the Nats or whatever, stop by and meet your reps at the AMA, spend an hour or two at the museaum, and hang out with the top pilots in your favorite catagory. I can promise its worth the trip.

jdracing3 · Jun 17, 2009, 09:21 AM

Does anyone have any info on Mr. Chi? My wife and I were sitting next to him when the heli part hit him and I gave him my shirt to cover his injury.

I called the AMA Monday and was directed to a voice mail with no return phone call. I hope his injuries are not serious.

John

Jim T. Graham · Jun 17, 2009, 09:55 AM

I saw him the next day at the award ceremony.

jdracing3 · Jun 17, 2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim T. Graham

I saw him the next day at the award ceremony.

Great!

...Thank you!

jdracing3 · Jun 17, 2009, 12:08 PM

I did receive a call this morning from the AMA...Thanks guys.

jbourke · Jun 17, 2009, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjpaul

So Jim, I could post the lyrics to the song on RC-Groups without violating the "family friendly" policy ?

RCG works with the community to develop standards, just as the XFC organizers work with the attendees. The process involves give and take and is effected through years of effort and feedback.

The standards do not need to be the same for both organizations, and it should be expected that mistakes will be made.

At RCGroups we have the opportunity to hide information that is inappropriate, but it is still available for a brief period before we are able. The XFC has no such option.

My point in this thread is simply that when you choose to use the internet, or go to a public venue, you will occasionally be confronted with things that offend your sensibilities. If one cannot allow organizers the occasional mistake, then reducing one's exposure can be accomplished by avoiding the risk entirely.

I don't see anything in this thread, or at the event itself, that reflects any sort of hostile intent by anyone involved, and I seek only to make sure we are listening. What I expect to come out of it is better understanding on both sides. For the organizers of the XFC, a better understanding of what some attendees felt was inappropriate. For those attendees, a better understanding of what the organizers intended and are realistically capable of promising.

Jim

Tipover · Jun 17, 2009, 02:05 PM

Just for the record, there -WAS- a JR banner up on the inside fence in front of the bleachers. This was directly to the right of the pavilion as viewed from inside the fence area. Probably not very visible, but it was there. Wish I had a picture to prove it.

As for the night fly... I though the foamy with the glow sticks was a bad joke at first, but I quickly got over it. I personally was a little concerned about how safe it would have been launching fireworks from 35-40% aircraft flying in the dark with all the kids and adults in attendance. I also wondered if that same thought might have had some bearing on the lack of participation by pilots at the last minute. It sounds like a lot of fun, but there is still something uncomfortable about that situation with the general public in attendance.

Three of us drove 600 miles in the RV for 3 enjoyable days. Overall a great time.

Kevin

Tipover · Jun 17, 2009, 02:37 PM

Here you can see one corner of the JR banner

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attac...mentid=2584233

Kevin

bigdarylg · Jun 17, 2009, 02:56 PM

i want to mention that the banner on the right side of the flightline had all sponsors and their level of sponsorship,Horizon was definately on it.

Jun 16, 2009, 08:32 PM	#32
xfc3dcd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 34	No ruffled feathers whatsoever. I just feel obligated to not permit dissemination of incorrect information regarding the XFC. Since we have clarified that you are not representing anyone but yourself I will explain why your comment is incorrect. The XFC, not unlike many other sporting events, uses a tiered sponsorship program. With increasing levels of contribution comes increasing levels of exposure. Futaba is the largest contributor and title sponsor and so has the most visibility. Just like Nextel in Nascar. Below Futaba are our anchor, platinum, gold, silver and bronze level sponsors. Every vendors visibility at the event is in direct proportion to their individual level of contribution. Make sense? Wendell Last edited by xfc3dcd; Jun 16, 2009 at 08:42 PM.

Jun 16, 2009, 09:16 PM	#33
MCART Watts happening? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Waynesville, Ohio Posts: 154	This was the first time I have ever started a thread and I did it for my own personal reasons. Everyone is free to attend the XFC for whatever interests them the most. Personally, I attended because I was extremely interested in the night fly event. After attending the Joe Nall and watching all the night flying activities, I bought lights and outfitted my aircraft with them because this was something new for me and I found it very interesting. Please note that I did not and have not said a single negative comment regarding the competition, the great barbecue meal, the access to the pilots, the vendors, the facility, the boat drunks, the fireworks, the weather.......... And while I did mention that I thought that one and only one particular song was inappropriate, I said "My problem wasn't so much about the music though". And I most certainly was not "pretty uptight to make a thread complaining about mention of the word "ass" or "breasts". I made the thread complaining about the night fly event. I attended XFC for the night fly event. Not for the competition, food, music, fireworks etc. It may not have been the primary mission of the event but I did so based on the great expectations that the web site set forth. So for my personal reason for attending, it was a complete disappointment. I understand that some of the participants did not make it and that was out of the XFC's control. How did I come to know this? By starting this thread and allowing those involved with its organization to make a statement. To my knowledge, no announcement was made at the XFC during the course of the day to this affect. But that still leaves me with one final question for the organizers. If whomever the participant was that failed to show up would have showed up, what type of pyrotechnics mounted to the aircraft would we have seen? Roman candles mounted to wing tips, giant sparklers mounted to the landing gear, maybe remotely fired pop bottle rockets? I certainly hope that all that hype wasn't pure speculation and nobody has volunteered any information yet as what was actually planned. Please tell us all that hype was not just fabricated.

Jun 16, 2009, 09:40 PM	#35
xfc3dcd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 34	Regarding next years Night Fly, all I can say with absolute certainty is that several of the top competitors told me on their way out that they would be back next year prepared to impress. I am confident the $1000 purse will help also. There were a few sponsors that did not commit to support the event until quite late, some as late as the week of the event. As I mentioned in the pilots meeting, we are eternally grateful to all our sponsors, particularly considering current economic conditions. Wendell

Jun 16, 2009, 09:54 PM	#36
Shpook What's that button do? Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 1,034	Just thought I'd mention that this thread has done nothing but talk UP XFC, and really make me wanna go. Whether you enjoyed it all or not, they have succeeded in a very important task: they've provoked you. Maybe one day I can make the trip to attend.

Jun 17, 2009, 07:52 AM	#37
barracudahockey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Jacksonville Craig, Florida, United States Posts: 1,241	I think anyone would be satisfied with a trip to any of the big events at Muncie. Pick one that intrests you like XFC, IRCHA, the Nats or whatever, stop by and meet your reps at the AMA, spend an hour or two at the museaum, and hang out with the top pilots in your favorite catagory. I can promise its worth the trip.

Jun 17, 2009, 09:21 AM	#38
jdracing3 "I like pancakes!" Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 7	Does anyone have any info on Mr. Chi? My wife and I were sitting next to him when the heli part hit him and I gave him my shirt to cover his injury. I called the AMA Monday and was directed to a voice mail with no return phone call. I hope his injuries are not serious. John

Jun 17, 2009, 09:55 AM	#39
Jim T. Graham RCGroups Admin Deluxe Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 4,245	I saw him the next day at the award ceremony.

Jun 17, 2009, 12:08 PM	#41
jdracing3 "I like pancakes!" Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 7	I did receive a call this morning from the AMA...Thanks guys.

Jun 17, 2009, 02:05 PM	#43
Tipover Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: WI Posts: 719	Just for the record, there -WAS- a JR banner up on the inside fence in front of the bleachers. This was directly to the right of the pavilion as viewed from inside the fence area. Probably not very visible, but it was there. Wish I had a picture to prove it. As for the night fly... I though the foamy with the glow sticks was a bad joke at first, but I quickly got over it. I personally was a little concerned about how safe it would have been launching fireworks from 35-40% aircraft flying in the dark with all the kids and adults in attendance. I also wondered if that same thought might have had some bearing on the lack of participation by pilots at the last minute. It sounds like a lot of fun, but there is still something uncomfortable about that situation with the general public in attendance. Three of us drove 600 miles in the RV for 3 enjoyable days. Overall a great time. Kevin

Jun 17, 2009, 02:37 PM	#44
Tipover Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: WI Posts: 719	Here you can see one corner of the JR banner http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attac...mentid=2584233 Kevin

Jun 17, 2009, 02:56 PM	#45
bigdarylg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 121	i want to mention that the banner on the right side of the flightline had all sponsors and their level of sponsorship,Horizon was definately on it.