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Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:47 PM
Paul Ryan
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How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:

1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
-made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
airfoil.
-also added thicker airfoiled tail group
-plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch

2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
been left finger tight.
-wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91

3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
disappears (sheesh!)

4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...

5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
- again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
almost in the air again.

I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest crash.

Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?






Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:47 PM
Thomas Wales
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?


I once had a GP Ultra Sport 40, (old version) that I loved so much I rebuilt
it five times, It became the subject of a short letter that I wrote and Dick
Kidd published in Model Airplane News "from the shop" Titled "watch your
wire routing" in either the September or October 1996 issue. Can't remember
which one for sure as have since lost my keepsake issue. :-(
But the last crash was due to the elevator and/or rudder servo wiring
chaffing between the bottom of the servos and the fuselage. The resultant
crash was very very devastating to the whole of the plane.
But I would say that as long as the plane remains safe and you still enjoy
flying it then there is no true limit to how many times a plane can be
rebuilt.
Happy flying,
Tom.


Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:47 PM
Anthony R
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

If it no longer flies, you've rebuilt it too many times.

"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest

crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>
>
>
>
>
>



Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:47 PM
K
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Silly question, however:
As Trigger said!
I have had this sweeping brush 20 years, it has had 12 new heads and 7 new
handles.

Oh, in answer to your question, 3.
If you rebuild a plane more than 3 times your ears will explode, killing you
instantly.




"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest

crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>
>
>
>
>
>



Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:47 PM
The Natural Philosopher
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Paul Ryan wrote:

> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest
> crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>
>



If you enjoy the ppane, you will repair it as many times as necessary,
until you get bored with it. thats my 2c worth.


>
>
>
>



Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:48 PM
Morris Lee
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

When the weight of all the glue makes it unflyable.

--
Morris Lee
morris.lee@verizon.net


Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:48 PM
Gord Schindler
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Until there is more glue than wood!

Actually, If the plane is getting bad enough I will usually re-design the
darned thing. That is, it becomes a platform for trying out all sorts of
ideas before committing them to a new one.
Gord Schindler
MAAC6694

"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?




Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:48 PM
Six_O'Clock_High
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?


"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest

crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>


I fly my "play" birds very hard and have gotten very good at fast building
them. In fact, I don't even open the instructions any more. However, I
don't like to take the time and effort to build a new one if there is any
way to keep the old airframe in the air. I have been known to stoop as low
as several rolls of strapping (filament) tape to keep a fuselage together.
My general rule is to repair it as long as building a new one will take more
time. Not being long on patience, I get with the program when I am forced
to. Last build was started at 10 P.M. on Sunday night and flew the
following weekend.

I have kept an airframe in operation for as long a 5 years, but it got to be
pretty doggy.

--
Jim Branaum
AMA 1428
Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns



Old Apr 01, 2003, 04:48 PM
Me
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

We had one guy with a Kaos that looked like it had had many high speed
contacts with the ground. The plane had been through a number of owners, and
a number repairs. It was a 60 size and it had a ST90 on it when it finally
met it's doom. Nobody knew what the plane weighed, we speculated it was
close to twelve pounds, and twelve years old. The last guy who owned it
painted it brown, and named it "The Lead Kaos"

I was out helping a friend pick up a downed plane one day. We were at the
extreme end of the flight line and everyone who was flying cut their
patterns short so as not to fly over us. The guy flying the Lead Kaos was
having a pylon race with a guy flying a hots when they collided. We were
only about 100 feet from where both planes came down, so we waited for the
owners to come out and survey their planes. The Hots was destroyed. We were
gathered around the Kaos, it looked quite repairable. The owner walked up to
it, looked at it for a minute with a big frown on his face. He then looked
around at us and let out a blood curdling scream, leaping into the air and
landed with both feet right in the middle of the Kaos. He proceeded to stomp
the plane into the ground, walking up and down the wing and fuselage. We
were quite shocked, and thought the guy had gone completely nuts. When he
was done absolutely destroying the plane, he looked at us, smiled, and said
"This way, I won't be tempted to rebuild the fucking thing!" I guess you
really had to be there, but it was one of the funniest things that has ever
happened to me since I started flying R.C.


"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest

crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>
>
>
>
>
>



Old Apr 01, 2003, 05:14 PM
First Name
Guest
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

A plane doesn't have 'character' until you use duct tape.


"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest

crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>
>
>
>
>
>



Old Apr 01, 2003, 05:14 PM
First Name
Guest
n/a Posts
Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Just put on a bigger engine.




"Morris Lee" <morris.lee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jHgia.12800$pW1.4015@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> When the weight of all the glue makes it unflyable.
>
> --
> Morris Lee
> morris.lee@verizon.net
>
>



Old Apr 02, 2003, 12:01 PM
Arne Reil
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

I have a friend that collects bumper stickers.... and not for his car...
they come pre-glued and are easy to transport... packing tape ain't bad,
either...

--

Arne, CT, USA
..
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"First Name" <ziggy57345@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LMnia.25030$qF3.14045@fed1read04...
> A plane doesn't have 'character' until you use duct tape.
>
>
> "Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> > I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> > almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> > mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:



Old Apr 02, 2003, 12:01 PM
kevie
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Got one with a black & white fuse, Black-yellow-red wing with assorted dot's
and squares and rectangles.

We call him old patch he don't come runin when ya whistle, but still flies
well

tomb


Old Apr 02, 2003, 12:01 PM
Fubar
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Yeah, my Tower Hobbies Kaos (kit) is pretty much like that but not to the
extent yours is. First crash due to flame out, only broke steering arm and
got a ding in the wing. Second crash due to flame out, had to dry it off
after it landed in the reeds next to the Porta-Potti field. Actually landed
in such a way that it was sitting full upright about a foot above the water.
Third crash due to dumb pilot who had his radio set for his Zagi. A Kaos
flying in Elevon mode is NOT a pretty sight. Busted the leading edge of the
wing and the front section of three ribs, splintered the fuse and totally
removed the tail group. Fourth crash was due to tip stall while attempting
to land thru an open gate. Dont ask. Broke the leading edge again in two
places and the front section of one rib.
Love this plane and am still flying it! Dont know if I would rebuild it
again tho, as I have two Great Planes versions of this kit stashed in the
shop for emergencys.
--
Dan
KE6ERB
AMA605992
I've heard the screams of the vegetables.
http://fubar1.freeservers.com
"Paul Ryan" <bonanza35@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3E893977.6010604@dontSPAMme.adelphia.net...
> I have this GP Cap 232 I've rebuilt at least 6 times, and now it's
> almost ready to go again... Its history is a laundry list of lame
> mishaps and episodes of pushing the envelope. Check this out:
>
> 1. From stock configuration with an ST .51- in flight failure of the
> wing at dihedral braces during an attempted "blender" maneuver. Plane
> spends five weeks lost in jungle at Whittier Narrows.
> -made new wing with continuous spar caps and improved "straight back"
> airfoil.
> -also added thicker airfoiled tail group
> -plane much more stable and no tendency to hunt in pitch
>
> 2. Seconds after I offer to let a friend fly it, and he declines with
> comment that every time he flies someone's plane something weird
> happens, the wing flies off- the "just long enough" nylon wing bolts had
> been left finger tight.
> -wing unharmed, tail group survives, new fuse with Saito .91
>
> 3. Unexplicable use of nylon landing gear bolts causes three rebuilds of
> bottom of fuse amd wing. Finally, steel bolts used and problem
> disappears (sheesh!)
>
> 4. Rollout from inverted low pass ends up about 6 inches too low, and
> wing and fuse repaired, scarf joints all around...
>
> 5. Last flight blues late in the day- engine quits in lomcevak about 20
> feet up. Best I could do was get the wings level as it goes "splat"
> downwind at Rabbit Dry lake. Fuse broken in about 8 places, landing
> gear flattened out, but prop not broken. Wing has little damage.
> - again a scarf joint extravaganza, a little carbon fiber,and we're
> almost in the air again.
>
> I should probably retire it since it's got patches on its patches, but
> it's always easier to fix the thing than build a whole new one, and
> you'd never know it by looking at it(monokote hides a lot of sins).
> Amazingly, not one of those earlier scarf joints let go in the latest

crash.
>
> Anybody got any planes like this that they just couldn't let die?
>
>
>
>
>
>



Old Apr 11, 2003, 03:45 AM
Brokebob
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Re: How many times is too many to rebuild a plane?

Put a wing off of someting on the fuselage and use the old wing to fly a
different fuselage. Two new flyers are handy when one is broke.
brokebob@aol.com (broke=not working, retired=not working, retired=broke)
 


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