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Old Jun 08, 2009, 12:27 PM
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Muncie group F&F Streamer combat design.

attached is a KILLER Blue Foam Streamer combat model...
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Old Jun 14, 2009, 11:53 AM
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Thanks for the plans doc. I'll post some pics of my build if it's ok with you.
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Old Jun 14, 2009, 10:04 PM
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yeah, i like this one too...ill build one tomorrow and put my build pics up as well
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Old Jun 14, 2009, 11:22 PM
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do it

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Thanks for the plans doc. I'll post some pics of my build if it's ok with you.
go 4 it...........
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Old Jun 14, 2009, 11:24 PM
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yeah, i like this one too...ill build one tomorrow and put my build pics up as well

they are killers.....

I have a dozen or so..............

I take tha vertival fin shape and add one each as wingtiplets

improves the charasteristics loads...
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Old Jun 15, 2009, 08:12 PM
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man I like it! I hope it flies good because it may become my car plane. and combat sounds fun.
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Old Jun 15, 2009, 08:57 PM
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Cg

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man I like it! I hope it flies good because it may become my car plane. and combat sounds fun.
the CG MUST be 1.75 back from the LE it is important and critical do not change it,,,

I use 70% expo with about 1/2 throws it is a hot dog machine...

they use 2 cell 1300 lipo

I use that and 3 cell 900 pack

same weight

and a 9X7.5 GWS fast prop

it is FUN
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Old Jun 15, 2009, 09:00 PM
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CG is VERY important.....

1.75 back from LE at motor

looks like your Motor may be close



DO NOT TRY it TAIL HEAVY !@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1.75 is proper and needs to be right on it.......
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Old Jun 16, 2009, 06:36 AM
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Looking good ArmyFlight. Combat is a 5 minute adrenaline rush that's highly addictive .

Here's a couple of pics of my F&F, it's almost finished. I'm also attaching a few pics from the combat we flew last weekend.
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Old Jun 16, 2009, 07:18 AM
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man I like it! I hope it flies good because it may become my car plane. and combat sounds fun.
I noticed that you doubled the leading edge back a little ways.I did my first 2 planes. What I found out is they take a leading edge hit a little better but the plane seems to fly a little slower because of the drag.
Buzzy
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Old Jun 16, 2009, 08:12 AM
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fast and cheap

The most fun that you can have in aeromodeling...

for the least price and hassle of any...

and I have been in it over 50 years...

killer fun fast and cheap....
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Old Jun 16, 2009, 12:02 PM
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yeah doc, i think ill have to scootch my motor forward. I think I'm just going to build a 1" coroplast box for the motor. i dont like stick mounts and dont have any.
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Old Jun 17, 2009, 01:37 PM
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Neat design! I might have to come up from Indy to join the fun! Are there any rules against building a box fuselage? I like to keep my gear inside the plane.

One more question, what's the distance from the LE of the wing to the TE of the elevator? It's cut off in the attached plan.
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Old Jun 17, 2009, 03:36 PM
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Neat design! I might have to come up from Indy to join the fun! Are there any rules against building a box fuselage? I like to keep my gear inside the plane.

One more question, what's the distance from the LE of the wing to the TE of the elevator? come on up we would glad to have you flying with us. It's cut off in the attached plan.
About 13 inches. Including elevator being around 1.125 wide. You can build the plane any way you want. We were hoping for some new designs to show up but this one works so good with the rules we have .I'll post the rules.
Buzzy

Fast and Furious Streamer Combat Rules


Airplane Specs.
Motor- 2408-21
Battery-2cell-7.4 volt
Prop-any size as long as you can fly the 5 minute round
Motor must be mounted on front of airplane
Plane design, wing span, and cord- anything goes
Must be built from fan fold

Rules of Engagement


The CD will give the OK to start combat after last plane has been launched.

Rounds will last 5 minutes.

CD will call stop combat at the end of 5 minutes.

A 20 ft. streamer will be used, with a 6 in. contrasting color for cut purposes.

Any plane that gets its streamer cut, even if it has part of a streamer left, is considered killed and must land.

Any previous cut streamers hanging from a plane when cut will be
considered a kill. The plane must land.

Should any planes have a mid-air, any cuts before the midair will be counted.

You can only get 1 cut per plane. If you hit a plane that has 3 streamers on it and cut 2 of them itís still counted as 1 cut.

Should a plane make a cut and be forced to land because the streamer was wrapped up in his prop, he shall be marked as completing the round and scored with a kill.

Any pilot flying overhead or behind the pilotsí flying line will be instructed by the CD to land his plane at once, and sit that round out.


If you crash or your streamer comes off on launch, you will have to sit that round out.

If you cut someoneís streamer on launch or before start combat signal is given, the parties involved must land and sit that round out.

If 2 planes cut each others streamers at the same time, each plane will be awarded a kill and must land immediately.

If someone signals they are landing for some reason, you will not be able to cut their streamer for safety reasons.

The CD has the last word on all decisions.

Hard hats will be worn by all pilots on the flight line.

All aircraft will be inspected by CD before flying.
Scoring: 10 points per cut

8-10-08 Revised dlw
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Old Jun 17, 2009, 04:22 PM
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Thanks for the response. I'm eager to test one of these, but if it's new designs you're after I'm betting it's tough to beat the Killer in streamer combat given it's rather long wingspan (relative to it's overall length). I'd imagine those big wings make an excellent streamer clipping surface.

Do you guys run many weekend events? I'm in Indianapolis, so getting up to Muncie on week night is pretty tough for me.

Also, how are the streamers attached?
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