New Safety, Field & Conduct rule proposal!!!!

twitte · May 19, 2009, 08:44 AM

Go to the Field Safety tab on the CAM web page to see the newly proposed rules for our club.

You have an opportunity to review and comment on these proposed rules. This is your only chance to do this!!!!

MAKE YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!!!!

Send comments to John Fernandez or Bob Schlachter by email AND bring a copy to the June meeting.

"Fernandez, John" <oneshotcop@aol.com>, and Bob Schlachter "Schlacter, Bob" <BOBS2926@CAROLINA.RR.COM>

If you don't voice your comments or concerns you will be AGREEING with the proposed rules as is.

Trey Witte

HOLLYWOOD III · May 19, 2009, 09:35 AM

I Hear You! Does This Mean We Will He Heard!
Or Set To The Side?

twitte · May 19, 2009, 12:34 PM

That is up to you!!! The good Lord gave you fingers to type and vocal cords to speak.

Trey

techspy · May 19, 2009, 12:45 PM

As one of the guys that helped work on these I can tell you that many different views and concerns were considered when we put these together.

Believe me, I would rather not have any rules to worry about but unfortunately some people will either willfully or unknowingly do things that are just plain dangerous or disrespectful.

I am sure that there will be plenty of suggestions at the next meeting and that is what we want! If there is something in the rules that needs to be taken out or changed, then we can do that! But there has to be a consensus within the members. There are some things that I would like to not have to worry about or do when flying at the field, and if I had my own land where I could fly and set my own rules, I would do some things differently. However, you have to consider the big picture and understand that we are trying to appeal to a wide variety of fliers.

I think John Metcalf is going to post a FAQ section in the Safety section of the website to try to give a little insight as to how we came up with some of the proposed rules. Otherwise, if you have specific questions, post them here and I will be happy to explain why we proposed a certain rule. Hopefully this can help clear up some things and reduce the time needed to discuss this stuff at the next meeting.

Please just remember that anyone can access these forums.

John Fernandez

twitte · May 19, 2009, 01:21 PM

John,

The purpose for this thread is to get members to read the proposal and comment. We have a large number of members that won't read it ahead of time and won't have comments ready for the meeting. They will try to read it during the meeting. I want to have a productive conversation about the rules that will govern our club for the forseeable future.

I want to spur other members to voice any concerns they have before the meeting / vote not after when it will do no good.

My comments will be sent to John M. tomorrow.

I urge everyone to read the proposal. If you like the new rules, tell them! If you think a change is needed, tell them!

Trey

techspy · May 19, 2009, 02:29 PM

I agree, I wish more people would use this forum and read everything ahead of time. Sure would help things move along at the meeting.

Here is a link to the Safety section with FAQ's for questions that are being received. If you have a question that you would like addressed, email myself and Bob and CC John M. if you don't have our email addresses, PM me and I will send them to you.

http://www.charlotteaeromodelers.org/field-safety.cfm

Thanks, John

HOLLYWOOD III · May 19, 2009, 03:02 PM

The Rules Are Good, But Will They Change Every Week?

Pilotdale · May 19, 2009, 06:15 PM

I am Moving to NASSAU... Too Many Rules.. Here.. I wont be at MEETING EITHER.. FOOD SUCKS !

Pilotdale · May 19, 2009, 07:39 PM

Good Rules but will thay Change week to week ??

Seems like I heard this already....

HOLLYWOOD III · May 20, 2009, 12:24 PM

I Have Read The Rules, And I Thank You Guys For All The Work. Now Can We Run Them For A Year? With Out Change?

We Need A Time Frame For The Rules!
Thanks

techspy · May 20, 2009, 12:29 PM

I see your point Richard. I think anyone can bring up a motion at any meeting to make a change and if there is a second it would be voted on. At least that is my understanding, someone correct me if I am wrong. But, if this is the case, they could be changed or amended anytime. If we say they can not be changed at all for a year, and we find something that just doesn't work, we will be stuck.

Comments?

HOLLYWOOD III · May 20, 2009, 12:45 PM

Yes I Agree, But We Are Changing The Rules Everytime That Someone Has A Idea! And This Does Not Work. The Guys That Fly Every Week Work Things Out Between Each Other. Without A New Rule.
Please Just Walk Soft.
Thanks

techspy · May 20, 2009, 01:00 PM

I am not sure what you mean by changing the rules every time someone has an idea. I haven't seen a change since I have been a member. I do agree that there seems to have been "implied" rules that I have heard people talk about at the field but if they aren't in the CAM rules they are just someones opinion and not enforceable. I also agree that for the most part the regulars at the field work it out amongst themselves but then again, in my short time as a member I have seen quite a few difference of opinions that have come up between members and some incidents that got out of hand. I have also seen safety issues that happened that shouldn't have, 2 of which could have EASILY caused serious injury or death, and it just so happened that I was one of the people very close to being the victim. If you want specifics I will tell you privately as I do not want to point fingers at anyone particular on this public forum.

When we sat down to come up with the new proposed rules the very FIRST thing we decided on was that we didn't want to get nit-picky and try to make a rule for every little thing. Our hope was that some general safety guidelines would be enough and that common sense would prevail. I admit that a couple things need to be tweaked or maybe taken out all together, but we need input on what exactly is an issue.

So, if there is anything in the rules that is wrong or just doesn't belong, bring that specific point up.

By the way, where are you flying this weekend?

twitte · May 20, 2009, 02:28 PM

"Common sense" is the problem. One persons idea of what "common sense" is IS NOT the same as another person. I like to stand in the runway and fly a plane 150MPH 30 feet off the ground around myself. I am following AMA Competition guidelines. Most "occasional" flyers would not call this "common sense".

I believe that you should NOT write rules that cover every little thing that could come up. Hit the major items and other smaller things that the group as a whole is passionate about.

I have solved my problem by chooseing to fly when very few are around. I have spoke to everyone who flies with me and have worked out a system that works for us.

John, Bob, Ron and George, thank you for putting all your time and effort into this. I, for one, know how hard this is. Do the best that you can and I will follow the rules the club elects.

Trey Witte

HOLLYWOOD III · May 20, 2009, 03:57 PM

Wittie You Said It All!
Thanks
Use Your Head If You Have One.

May 19, 2009, 08:44 AM	#1
twitte Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 57	New Safety, Field & Conduct rule proposal!!!! Go to the Field Safety tab on the CAM web page to see the newly proposed rules for our club. You have an opportunity to review and comment on these proposed rules. This is your only chance to do this!!!! MAKE YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!!!! Send comments to John Fernandez or Bob Schlachter by email AND bring a copy to the June meeting. "Fernandez, John" <oneshotcop@aol.com>, and Bob Schlachter "Schlacter, Bob" <BOBS2926@CAROLINA.RR.COM> If you don't voice your comments or concerns you will be AGREEING with the proposed rules as is. Trey Witte Last edited by twitte; May 19, 2009 at 02:54 PM.

May 19, 2009, 12:45 PM	#4
techspy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 970	As one of the guys that helped work on these I can tell you that many different views and concerns were considered when we put these together. Believe me, I would rather not have any rules to worry about but unfortunately some people will either willfully or unknowingly do things that are just plain dangerous or disrespectful. I am sure that there will be plenty of suggestions at the next meeting and that is what we want! If there is something in the rules that needs to be taken out or changed, then we can do that! But there has to be a consensus within the members. There are some things that I would like to not have to worry about or do when flying at the field, and if I had my own land where I could fly and set my own rules, I would do some things differently. However, you have to consider the big picture and understand that we are trying to appeal to a wide variety of fliers. I think John Metcalf is going to post a FAQ section in the Safety section of the website to try to give a little insight as to how we came up with some of the proposed rules. Otherwise, if you have specific questions, post them here and I will be happy to explain why we proposed a certain rule. Hopefully this can help clear up some things and reduce the time needed to discuss this stuff at the next meeting. Please just remember that anyone can access these forums. John Fernandez Last edited by techspy; May 19, 2009 at 01:04 PM.

May 19, 2009, 02:29 PM	#6
techspy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 970	I agree, I wish more people would use this forum and read everything ahead of time. Sure would help things move along at the meeting. Here is a link to the Safety section with FAQ's for questions that are being received. If you have a question that you would like addressed, email myself and Bob and CC John M. if you don't have our email addresses, PM me and I will send them to you. http://www.charlotteaeromodelers.org/field-safety.cfm Thanks, John Last edited by techspy; May 19, 2009 at 02:55 PM.

May 20, 2009, 03:57 PM	#15
HOLLYWOOD III HOLLYWOOD Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 389	Thanks Wittie You Said It All! Thanks Use Your Head If You Have One. Last edited by HOLLYWOOD III; May 20, 2009 at 03:58 PM. Reason: WRONG

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May 19, 2009, 09:35 AM	#2
HOLLYWOOD III HOLLYWOOD Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 389	I Hear You! Does This Mean We Will He Heard! Or Set To The Side?

May 19, 2009, 12:34 PM	#3
twitte Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 57	That is up to you!!! The good Lord gave you fingers to type and vocal cords to speak. Trey

May 19, 2009, 01:21 PM	#5
twitte Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 57	John, The purpose for this thread is to get members to read the proposal and comment. We have a large number of members that won't read it ahead of time and won't have comments ready for the meeting. They will try to read it during the meeting. I want to have a productive conversation about the rules that will govern our club for the forseeable future. I want to spur other members to voice any concerns they have before the meeting / vote not after when it will do no good. My comments will be sent to John M. tomorrow. I urge everyone to read the proposal. If you like the new rules, tell them! If you think a change is needed, tell them! Trey

May 19, 2009, 03:02 PM	#7
HOLLYWOOD III HOLLYWOOD Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 389	The Rules Are Good, But Will They Change Every Week?

May 19, 2009, 06:15 PM	#8
Pilotdale Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mint Hill Posts: 1,410	I am Moving to NASSAU... Too Many Rules.. Here.. I wont be at MEETING EITHER.. FOOD SUCKS !

May 19, 2009, 07:39 PM	#9
Pilotdale Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mint Hill Posts: 1,410	Good Rules but will thay Change week to week ?? Seems like I heard this already....

May 20, 2009, 12:24 PM	#10
HOLLYWOOD III HOLLYWOOD Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 389	I Have Read The Rules, And I Thank You Guys For All The Work. Now Can We Run Them For A Year? With Out Change? We Need A Time Frame For The Rules! Thanks

May 20, 2009, 12:29 PM	#11
techspy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 970	I see your point Richard. I think anyone can bring up a motion at any meeting to make a change and if there is a second it would be voted on. At least that is my understanding, someone correct me if I am wrong. But, if this is the case, they could be changed or amended anytime. If we say they can not be changed at all for a year, and we find something that just doesn't work, we will be stuck. Comments?

May 20, 2009, 12:45 PM	#12
HOLLYWOOD III HOLLYWOOD Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 389	Yes I Agree, But We Are Changing The Rules Everytime That Someone Has A Idea! And This Does Not Work. The Guys That Fly Every Week Work Things Out Between Each Other. Without A New Rule. Please Just Walk Soft. Thanks

May 20, 2009, 01:00 PM	#13
techspy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 970	I am not sure what you mean by changing the rules every time someone has an idea. I haven't seen a change since I have been a member. I do agree that there seems to have been "implied" rules that I have heard people talk about at the field but if they aren't in the CAM rules they are just someones opinion and not enforceable. I also agree that for the most part the regulars at the field work it out amongst themselves but then again, in my short time as a member I have seen quite a few difference of opinions that have come up between members and some incidents that got out of hand. I have also seen safety issues that happened that shouldn't have, 2 of which could have EASILY caused serious injury or death, and it just so happened that I was one of the people very close to being the victim. If you want specifics I will tell you privately as I do not want to point fingers at anyone particular on this public forum. When we sat down to come up with the new proposed rules the very FIRST thing we decided on was that we didn't want to get nit-picky and try to make a rule for every little thing. Our hope was that some general safety guidelines would be enough and that common sense would prevail. I admit that a couple things need to be tweaked or maybe taken out all together, but we need input on what exactly is an issue. So, if there is anything in the rules that is wrong or just doesn't belong, bring that specific point up. By the way, where are you flying this weekend?

May 20, 2009, 02:28 PM	#14
twitte Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 57	"Common sense" is the problem. One persons idea of what "common sense" is IS NOT the same as another person. I like to stand in the runway and fly a plane 150MPH 30 feet off the ground around myself. I am following AMA Competition guidelines. Most "occasional" flyers would not call this "common sense". I believe that you should NOT write rules that cover every little thing that could come up. Hit the major items and other smaller things that the group as a whole is passionate about. I have solved my problem by chooseing to fly when very few are around. I have spoke to everyone who flies with me and have worked out a system that works for us. John, Bob, Ron and George, thank you for putting all your time and effort into this. I, for one, know how hard this is. Do the best that you can and I will follow the rules the club elects. Trey Witte