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Old Apr 01, 2003, 01:16 AM
AMA3655@aol.com
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[RCSE] Re: Need help on selecting an open class ship

Stan -

Two airplanes come to mind. The Sapphire and the Compulsion. They actually
have a lot in common. They fly a lot like each other, and they meet your
price criteria. The Sapphire is obeche over foam, the Compulsion is all
composite (bagged). They both have excellent handling characteristics. They
are both floaters, with enough speed and range to kick some butt at an AMA TD
contest. Both land very well. The Sapphire will probably be a little bit
cheaper, and lets you do some more finishing on the wings and build up the
stabs and rudder. The Sapphire kit is a joy to build if you are into such
foolishness. The Compulsion is also a dream, but you mostly "assemble" it.
The instructions aren't quite as well done, if you are new (sounds like you
aren't) you might have a few questions. Both planes require a little more
work than the typical moldie, but not as much as a traditional built up plane
used to.

Both planes have about 5 degrees dihedral and use ailerons and flaps. They
are fairly stable, but they are sort of flat winged depending on how you
define that. Both planes need a computer type radio to realize their full
potential. If the plane/radio is set up right you will have no problems. They
are quite forgiving and fly great. If you don't feel comfortable sending one
up the line first time you might enjoy a trip to visit a friend somewhere
that you can find some help. I happen to know some pretty good check out
pilots who will work for beer.

There is also an RES version of the Sapphire that is basically a poly version
of the same plane, the RESolution. I haven't flown it yet, but the kit is of
the same superior quality as it's sibling. I bet it flies pretty well. When I
get time I'm gonna build the one in the closet and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

There are some very nice molded planes out there that would also fill the
bill, but the price goes up considerably.

happy trails - Rob Glover


> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:54:46 -0600
> From: Stan Myers <stanmyers@comcast.net>
> To: Digest Soaring <soaring@airage.com>
> Subject: Need help on selecting an open class ship
> Message-ID: <016501c2e454$e9972de0$f8143344@cc249559a>
>
> The intent of this post is to find the best "bang for the buck" on an open
> class ship. First off let me say that to my knowledge there is only one guy
> in central Arkansas that is flying an open class sailplane and its an 880.
> I
> went to mid-south back when it was in Memphis(got to be 4 years ago) and
> watched for the first time anything other than bent wing sailplanes.
>
> I am going to limit myself to $750. I do not need something that will stand
> gorilla launches(we don't have a winch that powerful). It will in all
> likelihood not be contested(I'm 66 and life is a contest). I would prefer a
> molded ship solely on grounds the level of fit and finish I've seen in
> magazines.
>
> I have 30 years flying experience with "bent wings" but no aileron
> experience, so the plane must be stable. No flat wings or anhedral, please.
>
> If you need additional info before making your recommendations please do it
> privately to me, don't want to use too much bandwidth on RCSE.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Stan



Old Apr 01, 2003, 01:16 AM
James V. Bacus
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Need help on selecting an open class ship

Rob has given some good advise, the Compulsion is going to fly a little
faster and handle windy days better than the Sapphire. If you have to
have the molded model, one that is similar to these is the Emerald. I had
a few of them, and it was the first open class model I owned where
everything began to make sense to me.

Jim



At 08:49 PM 3/7/2003, AMA3655@aol.com wrote:
>Stan -
>
>Two airplanes come to mind. The Sapphire and the Compulsion. They actually
>have a lot in common. They fly a lot like each other, and they meet your
>price criteria. The Sapphire is obeche over foam, the Compulsion is all
>composite (bagged). They both have excellent handling characteristics.
>They are both floaters, with enough speed and range to kick some butt at
>an AMA TD contest. Both land very well. The Sapphire will probably be a
>little bit cheaper, and lets you do some more finishing on the wings and
>build up the stabs and rudder. The Sapphire kit is a joy to build if you
>are into such foolishness. The Compulsion is also a dream, but you mostly
>"assemble" it. The instructions aren't quite as well done, if you are new
>(sounds like you aren't) you might have a few questions. Both planes
>require a little more work than the typical moldie, but not as much as a
>traditional built up plane used to.
>
>Both planes have about 5 degrees dihedral and use ailerons and flaps. They
>are fairly stable, but they are sort of flat winged depending on how you
>define that. Both planes need a computer type radio to realize their full
>potential. If the plane/radio is set up right you will have no problems.
>They are quite forgiving and fly great. If you don't feel comfortable
>sending one up the line first time you might enjoy a trip to visit a
>friend somewhere that you can find some help. I happen to know some pretty
>good check out pilots who will work for beer.
>
>There is also an RES version of the Sapphire that is basically a poly
>version of the same plane, the RESolution. I haven't flown it yet, but the
>kit is of the same superior quality as it's sibling. I bet it flies pretty
>well. When I get time I'm gonna build the one in the closet and I'm sure
>I'll enjoy it.
>
>There are some very nice molded planes out there that would also fill the
>bill, but the price goes up considerably.
>
>happy trails - Rob Glover
>
>
>>Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:54:46 -0600
>>From: Stan Myers <stanmyers@comcast.net>
>>To: Digest Soaring <soaring@airage.com>
>>Subject: Need help on selecting an open class ship
>>Message-ID: <016501c2e454$e9972de0$f8143344@cc249559a>
>>
>>The intent of this post is to find the best "bang for the buck" on an open
>>class ship. First off let me say that to my knowledge there is only one guy
>>in central Arkansas that is flying an open class sailplane and its an 880. I
>>went to mid-south back when it was in Memphis(got to be 4 years ago) and
>>watched for the first time anything other than bent wing sailplanes.
>>
>>I am going to limit myself to $750. I do not need something that will stand
>>gorilla launches(we don't have a winch that powerful). It will in all
>>likelihood not be contested(I'm 66 and life is a contest). I would prefer a
>>molded ship solely on grounds the level of fit and finish I've seen in
>>magazines.
>>
>>I have 30 years flying experience with "bent wings" but no aileron
>>experience, so the plane must be stable. No flat wings or anhedral, please.
>>
>>If you need additional info before making your recommendations please do it
>>privately to me, don't want to use too much bandwidth on RCSE.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>Stan

>


Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level III
ICQ 6997780 R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net

Old Apr 01, 2003, 01:16 AM
James V. Bacus
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Need help on selecting an open class ship

Apparently as advised by Gordy who knows everyone and has had lunch with
Stan, the Emerald is too hot...

Sorry Stan, I couldn't think of a more docile molded model, it really
worked for me, but I had a bunch of club guys around to help too.

I should have just followed the thread on the patents and copyrights and
left soaring topics alone this time of the year.

!@#$%^

At 09:01 PM 3/7/2003, James V. Bacus wrote:
>Rob has given some good advise, the Compulsion is going to fly a little
>faster and handle windy days better than the Sapphire. If you have to
>have the molded model, one that is similar to these is the Emerald. I had
>a few of them, and it was the first open class model I owned where
>everything began to make sense to me.
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>At 08:49 PM 3/7/2003, AMA3655@aol.com wrote:
>>Stan -
>>
>>Two airplanes come to mind. The Sapphire and the Compulsion. They
>>actually have a lot in common. They fly a lot like each other, and they
>>meet your price criteria. The Sapphire is obeche over foam, the
>>Compulsion is all composite (bagged). They both have excellent handling
>>characteristics. They are both floaters, with enough speed and range to
>>kick some butt at an AMA TD contest. Both land very well. The Sapphire
>>will probably be a little bit cheaper, and lets you do some more
>>finishing on the wings and build up the stabs and rudder. The Sapphire
>>kit is a joy to build if you are into such foolishness. The Compulsion is
>>also a dream, but you mostly "assemble" it. The instructions aren't quite
>>as well done, if you are new (sounds like you aren't) you might have a
>>few questions. Both planes require a little more work than the typical
>>moldie, but not as much as a traditional built up plane used to.
>>
>>Both planes have about 5 degrees dihedral and use ailerons and flaps.
>>They are fairly stable, but they are sort of flat winged depending on how
>>you define that. Both planes need a computer type radio to realize their
>>full potential. If the plane/radio is set up right you will have no
>>problems. They are quite forgiving and fly great. If you don't feel
>>comfortable sending one up the line first time you might enjoy a trip to
>>visit a friend somewhere that you can find some help. I happen to know
>>some pretty good check out pilots who will work for beer.
>>
>>There is also an RES version of the Sapphire that is basically a poly
>>version of the same plane, the RESolution. I haven't flown it yet, but
>>the kit is of the same superior quality as it's sibling. I bet it flies
>>pretty well. When I get time I'm gonna build the one in the closet and
>>I'm sure I'll enjoy it.
>>
>>There are some very nice molded planes out there that would also fill the
>>bill, but the price goes up considerably.
>>
>>happy trails - Rob Glover
>>
>>
>>>Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:54:46 -0600
>>>From: Stan Myers <stanmyers@comcast.net>
>>>To: Digest Soaring <soaring@airage.com>
>>>Subject: Need help on selecting an open class ship
>>>Message-ID: <016501c2e454$e9972de0$f8143344@cc249559a>
>>>
>>>The intent of this post is to find the best "bang for the buck" on an open
>>>class ship. First off let me say that to my knowledge there is only one guy
>>>in central Arkansas that is flying an open class sailplane and its an 880. I
>>>went to mid-south back when it was in Memphis(got to be 4 years ago) and
>>>watched for the first time anything other than bent wing sailplanes.
>>>
>>>I am going to limit myself to $750. I do not need something that will stand
>>>gorilla launches(we don't have a winch that powerful). It will in all
>>>likelihood not be contested(I'm 66 and life is a contest). I would prefer a
>>>molded ship solely on grounds the level of fit and finish I've seen in
>>>magazines.
>>>
>>>I have 30 years flying experience with "bent wings" but no aileron
>>>experience, so the plane must be stable. No flat wings or anhedral, please.
>>>
>>>If you need additional info before making your recommendations please do it
>>>privately to me, don't want to use too much bandwidth on RCSE.
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>Stan

>Jim
>Downers Grove, IL
>Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level III
>ICQ 6997780 R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net


Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level III
ICQ 6997780 R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net

Old Apr 01, 2003, 01:16 AM
Tom Broeski
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Need help on selecting an open class ship

The Amethyst is BIG and easy to see. Is the perfect transition from gas
bags to molded. It flies great and lands nice. Since he's not competing on
a regular basis, this should do very well.

Tom



Rob has given some good advise, the Compulsion is going to fly a little
faster and handle windy days better than the Sapphire. If you have to have
the molded model, one that is similar to these is the Emerald. I had a few
of them, and it was the first open class model I owned where everything
began to make sense to me.

Jim



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