Discussion FAA ARC Group stuff for Models!

[Dadstoysbg]

You are right there is no advocate for non AMA fliers because they don't belong to any group. Therefore who's to talk for them. If they are part of group which they don't want then they can have their say.
And yes to sell such a plane to the general public is not a good thing, but whats to stop the company from doing it. If it is flown outside of the AMA then only the FAA and the company and owner are involved.
I don't see the FAA making two sets of rules. They will listen to the origination that has the largest membership and a proven record in safety.
Go to the meeting and say you want to have a say and that your not part of the AMA. Then answer their questions about your written safety code and how many people you represent and the list of members and how many years has your group be in existence.
You can fly a full scale plane without a FAA license only until something goes wrong do you have a problem.
The OPA speaks for the GA pilots to the FAA but not all pilots are members. The commercial pilots are also members of the OPA.
This is how government works.
If you want change join the AMA and work within the organization to make the changes you want.
The AMA is the only organization we have to speak for us. No one will listen to the individual. We need a collective voice with a single goal for the betterment of the hobby.
If something is unsafe then the collective voice speaks as one to stop it.
Show me where that add is and I will report it to the AMA and let them deal with it. Dennis@ Dadstoysrc.com Dennis

[BillM]

AMA pilots report accidents either within their club or to the AMA if there is any possibility of a claim being filed. Both my clubs require an accident report if damage beyond the members plane occurs.
Non AMA pilots have no reporting procedure so there is no record of any accidents that may have occured.
Since non AMA gatherings have no director or control how can anyone possibly know what is going on.
Any aircraft--test flown or not--that has passed an inspection by a qualified inspector at an AMA event is more than likely as safe as any being flown.
Who does the inspection at casual non AMA gatherings?

BM

[bjpaul]

The same argument some of you are using against UAV's is what the gun control nuts use to justify gun laws............ UAV's don't attack us... terrorists do.

How about some un-common sense people.

Brad

[bwalt822]

Originally Posted by bjpaul

The same argument some of you are using against UAV's is what the gun control nuts use to justify gun laws............ UAV's don't attack us... terrorists do.

How about some un-common sense people.

Brad

people who use guns safely have more control over their guns. Meaning they dont usually accidentally shoot someone for reasons outside of their control (pointing a gun at someone for it to accidentally go off is within the operators control). UAV's are able to lose control and crash due to circumstances that are out of the operators control. Its not the same as gun control.

[littlecrankshaft]

Originally Posted by BillM

Any aircraft--test flown or not--that has passed an inspection by a qualified inspector at an AMA event is more than likely as safe as any being flown.
Who does the inspection at casual non AMA gatherings?

BM

Who does inspections AMA events any longer? oooopps...Better question; what events have you been to that lately that a mandantory inspection of you airplane was performed before you were allowed to fly?

[TSK06]

Posted in another thread but a reply there would be off topic:

Originally Posted by Azarr

Another example of the FAA and it's relationship with the AMA.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1048210

An interesting read. It also shows the importance of the AMA/FAA interface.

Azarr

So the importance of the AMA/FAA interface is that it allows the AMA to impose restrictions on non-AMA members. Definitely sounds like something I want to belong to..

While there may be other sources of ARC information available to you, the only true source for accurate information is Model Aviation and AMA Web site.

Click here for complete information.

Dave Mathewson
AMA President

The AMA president says that the only true source for accurate information is the AMA? I am shocked..

That, along with the other recent quote about parkflyers being a detriment to the RC community makes the AMA blunder central. Except they don't seem to see these blunders as blunders, it's quite remarkable actually.

The general public have no set of agreed upon rules (except for what is already in the FAR's) so why shouldnt the FAA make the rules for them?

Ah, regulation. And here I thought the goal of the AMA was to oppose it. I mean really, isn't AMA trying to oppose the hobby getting regulated? Section 3 is the exact opposite. Now if the AMA is trying to oppose the hobby getting regulated for AMA members only, that's a whole different animal and should be marketed as such.

[mongo]

walt,
i don't remember ever saying i wasn't an ama member. have probably been one longer than you have.

looking at sections 2 and 3, someone is pushing hard for the 2 sets of regulations already. 1 set for ama members operating at ama recognized sites and another set for for everyone operating at non ama recognized sites.

now, being a member who operates almost exclusively at non recognized, by ama, sites, i am seriously challenging the restrictions imposed by section 3.

[Robotech]

post #61 Paragraph 3. That should do it for you.

Or maybe go as the rep. from the Bottom Feeders Club?

[BillM]

lcs
Just about every event I have ever attended--as a spectator--participant--official--or commentator there was a mandatory inspection. I have even done inspections at events held by my club. Every airplane entered in any event sponsored by my club gets inspected before its first flight. I then gets marked. If the safety officer sees an unmarked plane in line for a flight station it is pulled and inspected.

Who does it at the local park?

BM

[VasMan]

I guess I'm not understanding something here.

What exactly changes with the new/proposed rules that's not already in place today?

[littlecrankshaft]

Originally Posted by BillM

lcs


Who does it at the local park?

BM

No one. Hard to find people that will tie themselves with the responsibility and possible liability...we had such inspections in the past but now every pilot is fully responsible for the risks they pose. After all how can we be sure of the engineering of others.

[Silent-AV8R]

Originally Posted by VasMan

I guess I'm not understanding something here.

What exactly changes with the new/proposed rules that's not already in place today?

First, to be clear, there are not even proposed rules. All the ARC did was offer advice and guidance to the FAA. The FAA now takes over and runs it through their sausage grinder rules process and we have to wait to see what comes out the other end as a NPRM. That will likely not even show up until this time or so next year.

But if things go as they look they might for an AMA member not really much, if anything, will change. So that to me is worth the $58!!!

[TSK06]

Originally Posted by Silent-AV8R

But if things go as they look they might for an AMA member not really much, if anything, will change. So that to me is worth the $58!!!

How about for non-AMA members?

I have seen people claiming that the hobby wouldn't be here in its current form without the AMA, but when the AMA is pushing new regulations for non-AMA members, doubts creep up. How is the AMA doing any favors to those people?

This document screams regulation. It starts by regulating flying for non-AMA members. What's next? And AMA members seem to be celebrating this new regulation as an achievement?

[BillM]

What tha AMA has accomplished or I should say trying to accomplish is the protection of its memberships right to enjoy this hobby as they have in the past.

What about non members? Well what about them? Have they contributed to this effort in any way? No but they expect the AMA to look after them as if they did contribute. If non members get benefits from the AMA effort so be it. But they should not approach the AMA with empty hands and expect equal treatment with the membership.
Those who do not support the AMA have in the past benefitted from AMA efforts. The expansion of the 72mhz band was due to AMA efforts financed by member dues. Non members benefitted from that. No one was ever asked if they were an AMA member when they purchased a new radio on the expanded 72mhz band.

OK--That is all in the past. Now there is a new issue at hand and the non members are asking what the AMA is doing for them. The answer is simple. If non members gain anything because of the AMA efforts--sobeit. But anything beyond that----

BM

[littlecrankshaft]

Originally Posted by BillM

OK--That is all in the past. Now there is a new issue at hand and the non members are asking what the AMA is doing for them. The answer is simple. If non members gain anything because of the AMA efforts--sobeit. But anything beyond that----

BM

come on now... I think they probably wish AMA would do nothing...to them.