FAA ARC Group stuff for Models! - Page 2

Dr. Sandy Frank · May 13, 2009, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhhuber506771

Darwin was a nutcase... just look at Jerry Springer guests. If evolution worked they couldn't happen.

that is WHY they did... ""evolution""

PLEASE see:

Model Aviation June 2009

page 5 "Presidents Perspective"

for the FACTS as published...

and AMA involvement!

PLEASE READ the RULES of ENGAGEMENT for this issue
in the above publication...

fhhuber506771 · May 13, 2009, 12:28 PM

AMA has previously sent out surveys with dismal response rates...

AMA members also seem to love to complain about who is in office as President and District VP.... but less than 1/3 bother to try to vote and up to 1/2 the ones who "try" to vote don't read the directions and make thier own ballots invalid.

dag214 · May 13, 2009, 05:26 PM

Did I miss something, but where is the over 55 pound experimental wavier?

Thanks, DAG

Dad_Roman · May 13, 2009, 06:34 PM

Strange that there are -0- annotations to back this up.

No FAA link.

No Faa statute number that we can look up.

My search at the FAA produced nothing.

Curious that the date is April 1st.

...and if you read it, it seems to apply only to non-AMA people. If your an AMA member then the extensive rules of the organization would apply....and that doesnt make sense either. A "club" entity certainly cannot establish rules that superceed the Fed.

Im goin with hoax...

Dad_Roman · May 13, 2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sandy Frank

Model Aviation June 2009

I also could not find in my house or at Model Aviation a June 2009 issue...

fhhuber506771 · May 13, 2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad_Roman

I also could not find in my house or at Model Aviation a June 2009 issue...

Maybe because its not due to arrive until about May 20 to 25.

Dr Frank would be in a position to have received an early copy...

Dr. Sandy Frank · May 13, 2009, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhhuber506771

Maybe because its not due to arrive until about May 20 to 25.

Dr Frank would be in a position to have received an early copy...

No early copy at all...

regular snail mail

nothing special at all !!!

but do read the source when you can !!

navee8or · May 13, 2009, 06:58 PM

From what I have just read, it's my opinion of some of these governmental groups have the image of us as being not much more than big boys with expensive toys. The general attitude I have read in some on line rc sites seems to reflect that appearance of what I stated(big boys with expensive toys).I feel that the majority of the flying community are responsible intelligent people that conduct themselves in accordance with the established proceedures.However, there are some that do as they please and as a result give us all the appearance that we don't care. As an example I know of a situation where an individual joins a local club and starts flying there to gain access to the site. Then when no ones around he's back at the field with a uav doing flight experiments at altitudes higher than described in the ama rules. WHO is the public going to blame??? Another example is some one goes to an rc demonstration and sees the fastest baddest plane in the world he likes it so much he wants one no matter what. So he buys one there's nothing or anyone stopping him from doing so. Now he's got it he goes out to some parking lot and you guessed it he takes off and plants it in somebody's picture window. Again WHO is going to take the heat?????? What is the answer to this predicament??? The unfortunate thing is some very dedicated modelers are going to get hit with more regulations for something they didn't startI'm very upset over this and probably will think twice before buying another kit or radio only to find out I can't fly because some moron went out and did things his way and ruined it for all. navee8or p.s.I know I am talking about problems the only thing I regret is not having a reasonable solution.

defranci · May 13, 2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad_Roman

Strange that there are -0- annotations to back this up.

No FAA link.

No Faa statute number that we can look up.

My search at the FAA produced nothing.

Curious that the date is April 1st.

...and if you read it, it seems to apply only to non-AMA people. If your an AMA member then the extensive rules of the organization would apply....and that doesnt make sense either. A "club" entity certainly cannot establish rules that superceed the Fed.

Im goin with hoax...

It was posted up in the Aerial Photography forum. Here's the link.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showa...mentid=2520222

Dad_Roman · May 13, 2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defranci

It was posted up in the Aerial Photography forum. Here's the link.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showa...mentid=2520222

Thank you sir! That is certainly a big help. I shall peruse the 74 pages tonite

.

mongo · May 13, 2009, 08:51 PM

pay special attention to sections 2 and 3, with the reservations.

bwalt822 · May 14, 2009, 10:44 AM

So if I read this right, there are no changes for people who already fly within the rules of the AMA or some other established regulatory group and these regulations are to put restrictions on "unrestricted" modelers.

So what are people who arent in the AMA upset about? They are having restrictions placed on them because they do not have a single organization representing them. This is what happens when you want to do things on your own, why would the FAA listen to a bunch of people with little toys that all want different things, the rights of "real" airplanes are obviously more important.

Mongo, the reason the AMA doesnt need to talk to us members about input in this sort of thing is that the AMA has fought to keep its own rules intact. If you want a new rule talk to the AMA about it or try to elect someone who will listen to you.

Like it or hate it, you can bet if the AMA didnt exist neither would model aviation in its current state. The AMA is showing that model aviation is a hobby that people enjoy responsibly and that there is no reason to "fix" what isnt broken.

littlecrankshaft · May 14, 2009, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwalt822

So if I read this right, there are no changes for people who already fly within the rules of the AMA or some other established regulatory group and these regulations are to put restrictions on "unrestricted" modelers.

So what are people who arent in the AMA upset about? They are having restrictions placed on them because they do not have a single organization representing them. This is what happens when you want to do things on your own, why would the FAA listen to a bunch of people with little toys that all want different things, the rights of "real" airplanes are obviously more important.

Mongo, the reason the AMA doesnt need to talk to us members about input in this sort of thing is that the AMA has fought to keep its own rules intact. If you want a new rule talk to the AMA about it or try to elect someone who will listen to you.

Like it or hate it, you can bet if the AMA didnt exist neither would model aviation in its current state. The AMA is showing that model aviation is a hobby that people enjoy responsibly and that there is no reason to "fix" what isnt broken.

We are in very deep trouble...

bwalt822 · May 14, 2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlecrankshaft

We are in very deep trouble...

?

What do you mean

littlecrankshaft · May 14, 2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwalt822

?

What do you mean

“So what are people who arent in the AMA upset about? They are having restrictions placed on them because they do not have a single organization representing them. This is what happens when you want to do things on your own, why would the FAA listen to a bunch of people with little toys that all want different things, the rights of "real" airplanes are obviously more important”.

Funny …sometimes AMA represents the hobby and other times it doesn’t…depends on the point being made

I could be wrong but your previous post seems to suggest that the $58 dollars paid to AMA should automatically instill a superior right based merely being part of the org and paying the dues.

May 13, 2009, 06:34 PM	#19
Dad_Roman Twistaholic AMA 134406 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,297	Strange that there are -0- annotations to back this up. No FAA link. No Faa statute number that we can look up. My search at the FAA produced nothing. Curious that the date is April 1st. ...and if you read it, it seems to apply only to non-AMA people. If your an AMA member then the extensive rules of the organization would apply....and that doesnt make sense either. A "club" entity certainly cannot establish rules that superceed the Fed. Im goin with hoax... Last edited by Dad_Roman; May 13, 2009 at 06:40 PM.

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May 13, 2009, 12:28 PM	#17
fhhuber506771 Deletedfor proving Nauga wrong Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Posts: 15,865	AMA has previously sent out surveys with dismal response rates... AMA members also seem to love to complain about who is in office as President and District VP.... but less than 1/3 bother to try to vote and up to 1/2 the ones who "try" to vote don't read the directions and make thier own ballots invalid.

May 13, 2009, 05:26 PM	#18
dag214 220, 221 what ever it takes. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fishers, Indiana Posts: 1,856	Did I miss something, but where is the over 55 pound experimental wavier? Thanks, DAG

May 13, 2009, 06:58 PM	#23
navee8or Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 85	From what I have just read, it's my opinion of some of these governmental groups have the image of us as being not much more than big boys with expensive toys. The general attitude I have read in some on line rc sites seems to reflect that appearance of what I stated(big boys with expensive toys).I feel that the majority of the flying community are responsible intelligent people that conduct themselves in accordance with the established proceedures.However, there are some that do as they please and as a result give us all the appearance that we don't care. As an example I know of a situation where an individual joins a local club and starts flying there to gain access to the site. Then when no ones around he's back at the field with a uav doing flight experiments at altitudes higher than described in the ama rules. WHO is the public going to blame??? Another example is some one goes to an rc demonstration and sees the fastest baddest plane in the world he likes it so much he wants one no matter what. So he buys one there's nothing or anyone stopping him from doing so. Now he's got it he goes out to some parking lot and you guessed it he takes off and plants it in somebody's picture window. Again WHO is going to take the heat?????? What is the answer to this predicament??? The unfortunate thing is some very dedicated modelers are going to get hit with more regulations for something they didn't startI'm very upset over this and probably will think twice before buying another kit or radio only to find out I can't fly because some moron went out and did things his way and ruined it for all. navee8or p.s.I know I am talking about problems the only thing I regret is not having a reasonable solution.

May 13, 2009, 08:51 PM	#26
mongo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: midland, REPUBLIC of TEXAS Posts: 433	pay special attention to sections 2 and 3, with the reservations.

May 14, 2009, 10:44 AM	#27
bwalt822 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The Puget Sound Area Posts: 1,617	So if I read this right, there are no changes for people who already fly within the rules of the AMA or some other established regulatory group and these regulations are to put restrictions on "unrestricted" modelers. So what are people who arent in the AMA upset about? They are having restrictions placed on them because they do not have a single organization representing them. This is what happens when you want to do things on your own, why would the FAA listen to a bunch of people with little toys that all want different things, the rights of "real" airplanes are obviously more important. Mongo, the reason the AMA doesnt need to talk to us members about input in this sort of thing is that the AMA has fought to keep its own rules intact. If you want a new rule talk to the AMA about it or try to elect someone who will listen to you. Like it or hate it, you can bet if the AMA didnt exist neither would model aviation in its current state. The AMA is showing that model aviation is a hobby that people enjoy responsibly and that there is no reason to "fix" what isnt broken.