Discussion New firmware posted May 8, 2009

[jamesppp]

Originally Posted by Spidious

Here is mine now !

Swift 16 w/ "Z" 800 12t pinion and 60cc esc

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# Castle Link Data File
# Created: Monday, May 18, 2009
# Do Not Edit This File By Hand
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Hex55: 85
Brake Strength: 0
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*)
Brake Ramp: Immediate (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
Motor Start Power: 59
Direction: Reverse
PWM Rate: 12 Khz (*)
Vehicle Type: Helicopter
Throttle Type: Governor Mode
Throttle Response: 5
Governor Gain: 16
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 3
Head Speed Change Rate: 5
Auto Rotate Enabled: True
Governor Mode Type: Fixed
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 6
Vehicle Setup - Battery Voltage: 22.2000
Vehicle Setup - Gear Ratio: 8.000
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 800
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 10
Desired Head Speed 1: 1701
Desired Head Speed 2: 1701
Desired Head Speed 3: 1701
Current Limiting: Insensitive
Cutoff Voltage: 180
Motor Timing: 5
Power-On Beep: Enabled (*)
Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell: 3.0 Volts/Cell (*)

Spidious, how did you find that tiny window setting to enable the autorotate bailout feature??. I dont know where to start and I sure would like to be able to prove it works on the bench

My Gov mode is working great! I love it

[dwelch]

I have a CC 85HV and I tried to set the PWM rate to outrunner, but its not one of he choices. Thought I bought it after the noted date, but I guess not, as per the Castle information:

"Added outrunner PWM rate option to improve efficiency and reduce harmonics when running fast commutation outrunners. Unfortunately this mode is only available on Phoenix ICE and Phoenix HV controllers manufactured after May 2007."

So, given the PWM choices available, since I have an outrunner, what PWM rate should I choose? I'm considering the highest available...

Motor is a Thunder Tiger OBL 49/08 (780 or 800 KV).

The ESC seems to run very cool, but the motor runs rather hot. Application is a Swift w/ 10S A123.

Running the new gov mode in RPM mode and gov works well, before updating the firmware, in heli fixed end point mode the motor was hot as well.

--David

[jamesppp]

Originally Posted by dwelch

I have a CC 85HV and I tried to set the PWM rate to outrunner, but its not one of he choices. Thought I bought it after the noted date, but I guess not, as per the Castle information:

"Added outrunner PWM rate option to improve efficiency and reduce harmonics when running fast commutation outrunners. Unfortunately this mode is only available on Phoenix ICE and Phoenix HV controllers manufactured after May 2007."

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--David

Your ESC has a small, round, white sticker w/ the mfg. date on it.

I wouldnt set the PWM rate as high as it will go. Start at 8 and move up 1 setting if you feel the need. It should run cooler unless something is in a bind.

[RC Man]

Originally Posted by dwelch

I have a CC 85HV and I tried to set the PWM rate to outrunner, but its not one of he choices. Thought I bought it after the noted date, but I guess not, as per the Castle information:

"Added outrunner PWM rate option to improve efficiency and reduce harmonics when running fast commutation outrunners. Unfortunately this mode is only available on Phoenix ICE and Phoenix HV controllers manufactured after May 2007."

So, given the PWM choices available, since I have an outrunner, what PWM rate should I choose? I'm considering the highest available...

Motor is a Thunder Tiger OBL 49/08 (780 or 800 KV).

The ESC seems to run very cool, but the motor runs rather hot. Application is a Swift w/ 10S A123.

Running the new gov mode in RPM mode and gov works well, before updating the firmware, in heli fixed end point mode the motor was hot as well.

--David

For outrunners use I PWM = 8 if outrunner is not on the menu. It works for Scorpion and Z-Power (Z-Power is the actual manufacture of most TT and Century outrunner motors).

For most outrunners I also run a timing setting of between 0 and 2. Any higher makes some motors run hot but I have some that are happy at 5. I would say to start at 2 and adjust from there.

[gww528]

Originally Posted by RC Man

For outrunners use I PWM = 8 if outrunner is not on the menu. It works for Scorpion and Z-Power (Z-Power is the actual manufacture of most TT and Century outrunner motors).

For most outrunners I also run a timing setting of between 0 and 2. Any higher makes some motors run hot but I have some that are happy at 5. I would say to start at 2 and adjust from there.

RC Man, good info how did you come to this conclusion, PWM = 8 if outrunner is not on the menu?

Thank you

[RC Man]

Originally Posted by gww528

RC Man, good info how did you come to this conclusion, PWM = 8 if outrunner is not on the menu?

Thank you

Trial and error. You are not going to hurt anything by trying different settings. The only time I have a problem was by running too much timing on a large outrunner causing it to loose sync and stripping the gears.

I don’t want to speak for CC so you may want to contact CC Tech support and see what they say.

[gww528]

Originally Posted by RC Man

Trial and error. You are not going to hurt anything by trying different settings. The only time I have a problem was by running too much timing on a large outrunner causing it to loose sync and stripping the gears.

I don’t want to speak for CC so you may want to contact CC Tech support and see what they say.

I did talk to CC Tech support and they did state, that the "Out Runner Mode (which I do not have), starts out at 8, then when it senses a fixed RPM, it goes into a Variable rate which best fits the motor".

Thanks again

[PatternFlyer]

I looked through all 5 pages. Everyone had heli setting.

I am using the setup with E-Flite Power 110, 2x 4S5000mAh TP Extreme (V1 & V2).

Been working on the setting since last Friday, but still can't get the Solid LED at full throttle. During the setting, I have beep when the ATV reaches the top and bottom ends, but no LED or anything indicating the Full throttle.
leaving the stick at full throttle position for more than 30 seconds still doesn't change anything (motor running or not).

Ihncheol

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# Castle Link Data File
# Created: Thursday, May 21, 2009
# Do Not Edit This File By Hand
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Hex55: 85
Brake Strength: 0
Brake Delay: No Delay
Brake Ramp: Slow
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
Motor Start Power: 39
Direction: Forward (*)
PWM Rate: 12 Khz (*)
Vehicle Type: Airplane
Throttle Type: Fixed Endpoints
Throttle Response: 5
Governor Gain: 1
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 5
Head Speed Change Rate: 5
Auto Rotate Enabled: False
Governor Mode Type: Simple
Current Limiting: Normal (*)
Cutoff Voltage: 264
Motor Timing: 5
Power-On Beep: Enabled (*)
Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell: 3.0 Volts/Cell (*)

[garytskuah]

Hi folks. Just to share with you guys. The New Software has solve my tail from oscillating. RPM sound smoother and consistant. Tail holds great. Apparently, i just need to set my governor gain at 10 on set rpm governor mode. (Previously governor gain at 2 on governor mode high). Here's the setup for my CC85HV.

Trex 600 - Scorpion 4025-740KV(18t) with CC85HV

Brake Strength: 0 (grey out)
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*) (grey out)
Brake Ramp: Soft (grey out)
Current Limiting: Disabled
Cutoff Voltage: Auto Li-Po (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
Motor Start Power: 59
Motor Timing: 5(*)
Direction: Forward (*)
PWM Rate: 12 Khz
Vehicle Type: Helicopter
Throttle Type: Governor Mode
Throttle Response: 5
Governor Gain: 10
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 5
Head Speed Change Rate: 5
Auto Rotate Enabled: False
Governor Mode Type: Set RPM mode
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 8
Vehicle Setup - Pinion: 18t
Vehicle Setup - Main Gear: 170t
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 740
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 8
Desired Head Speed 1: 2100
Desired Head Speed 2: 2100
Desired Head Speed 3: 2200

Great work from Castle Creation engineers...

[Spidious]

Well not sure what happened. I put in the below settings and the tail twitch was totally gone. Was flying it around and about 20' up all power was lost ? Auto down, lipo popped out (undamaged !) dingled tail boom and pulled threads on one link.
But the main problem was that the controller was smoking hot and the motor also. I had hit the hold switch as soon as I saw it lost power. But when I got up to the copter the controller was still smoking and then it made a Pifft sound and shot out smoke !
Strange that I have been flying for almost a year with it and had no problems till now. Was running a "Z" 800 motor, 6S lipo, 12t pinion and 60cc esc. I use to run a 10t pinion but was suggested by CC that in order to get the governor to work correct the gearing might have to be changed. Which I did and the settings looked OK on the screen.
I sent it back to CC for repairs/warranty ? And will see what they say. In the mean time I will be going back to a 10t pinion, since I ever had any problems running with it, and the motor was always cool after flights..

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# Castle Link Data File
# Created: Monday, May 18, 2009
# Do Not Edit This File By Hand
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Hex55: 85
Brake Strength: 0
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*)
Brake Ramp: Immediate (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
Motor Start Power: 59
Direction: Reverse
PWM Rate: 12 Khz (*)
Vehicle Type: Helicopter
Throttle Type: Governor Mode
Throttle Response: 5
Governor Gain: 16
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 3
Head Speed Change Rate: 5
Auto Rotate Enabled: True
Governor Mode Type: Fixed
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 6
Vehicle Setup - Battery Voltage: 22.2000
Vehicle Setup - Gear Ratio: 8.000
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 800
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 10
Desired Head Speed 1: 1701
Desired Head Speed 2: 1701
Desired Head Speed 3: 1701
Current Limiting: Insensitive
Cutoff Voltage: 180
Motor Timing: 5
Power-On Beep: Enabled (*)
Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell: 3.0 Volts/Cell (*)

[moshen]

Glad to hear the new firmware helps governor mode. I had major issues with the last firmware on my 8S Trex 600 and sold it to get the Kontronik Jazz-55 which worked great. Next time I need a ESC again I'll try out the new firmware!

[Spidious]

But now another problem.. And a lot worse than a tail twitch !

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...2#post12345660

[dwelch]

I never got a response from anyone at Castle for my questions above, either here, or by emailing Castle directly. I'm beginning to to really wonder what's up... Where is one recommended to go for timely answers to simple questions?

[Raydee]

Try calling them...always works for me.

[jbrowne]

I have CastleLink version 3.12.

When I download and run the 3.13 install, i complains about not finding an ".msi" file then says that it can't remove the existing version.

Any help would be appreciated